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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Folks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>One things for sure - you should never be able to upload anything from ID that is untagged. As for buildings I use both JOSM and ID. I think it just requires good instructions for either system. You get into a rhythm with either system so for me it comes back to good instruction as early as possible. I know some of my first attempts were hopeless as I didn't read anything, just plugged away. Hopefully I have gone back and corrected most.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers - Phil - relative newbie (tastrax)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Jo [mailto:winfixit@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 11, 2017 7:33 PM<br><b>To:</b> Shawn K. Quinn<br><b>Cc:</b> hot<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [HOT] Mapping buildings something to think about<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Maybe we're explaining it to them wrong, somehow.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It's more likely that it's too easy to do it wrong though. These issues keep coming back and haunt us.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Anyway, I went in and tried it myself, once more.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>'3' (to draw an area, I like keyboard shortcuts)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>4 mouse clicks + enter or 5 mouse clicks, depending if you close the shape or not.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Pressing 's' along the way here has different outcomes. That's not the way to go.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Pressing enter gives back the dialog to turn it into a building (if you had mapped a building before). That's good.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Only now, the mapper should press 's' before moving on.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Knowing myself, I would also forget about that.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>In JOSM I press 'b', then 3 mouse clicks and I have a building. Tagged and squared the way it should be.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If it's L-shaped, I press 'x', double click on a side and extrude a part of it.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If I somehow got it wrong, I press 'w', move the nodes to the corners, then press 'q'. That's also what I do/did to fix all those unsquared buildings when validating tasks.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Polyglot<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>2017-04-11 7:46 GMT+02:00 Shawn K. Quinn <<a href="mailto:skquinn@rushpost.com" target="_blank">skquinn@rushpost.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>On 04/11/2017 12:23 AM, Dale Kunce wrote:<br>> All this is a reminder to everyone to keep the language and intent of<br>> statements in a respectful manner. The iD developers and mainteners work<br>> very hard to manage the project and do a very good job. I know some of<br>> you have frustrations but please be respectful of others time and<br>> efforts as well.<br><br>I have a saying (from the would-be radio/TV producer in me): Sometimes<br>bleep happens, and sometimes it happens and there's no bleep.<br><br>I can understand the frustration from having to clean up "iD droppings"<br>(for lack of a better term). I have lost count of the number of slopped<br>down building outlines that aren't even close to the rectangular truth<br>on the ground (this is normal OSM i.e. non-HOT mapping). I've managed to<br>keep my changeset comments profanity-free despite my frustration, which<br>at times has been a challenge. That said it's hard for me to blame the<br>original poster for using that word in that context, I probably would<br>have said it the same way.<br><br>Admittedly some of the blame has to fall on the users for not knowing<br>how to use iD properly. It is possible to tag buildings correctly and<br>square them up to 90° angles with iD. I've done it before.<br><span style='color:#888888'><br><span class=hoenzb>--</span><br><span class=hoenzb>Shawn K. Quinn <<a href="mailto:skquinn@rushpost.com">skquinn@rushpost.com</a>></span><br><span class=hoenzb><a href="http://www.rantroulette.com" target="_blank">http://www.rantroulette.com</a></span><br><span class=hoenzb><a href="http://www.skqrecordquest.com" target="_blank">http://www.skqrecordquest.com</a></span></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>_______________________________________________<br>HOT mailing list<br><a href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>