<div dir="ltr">Thanks for the comments.<div>The difference between unclassified versus residential is a challenge for many people, including myself.</div><div>The language in the unclassified is trying to describe the function of connecting settlements rather than a road where people live.</div><div>What is a settlement? Hamlet or larger? A few houses 500 meters away?</div><div>This is quite difficult for me in Ethiopia since 90% of the population lives in a rural setting.</div><div>I'm looking for ways to describe what these roads would look like in the imagery, suggestions?</div><div><br></div><div>As far as the 2921 living_streets in Angola that is exactly the type of thing that could be prevented if that tag value was not available in iD or JOSM when editing anywhere besides Germany or the Netherlands (or any other location where that was a legal description).</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Bjoern Hassler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bjohas+mw@gmail.com" target="_blank">bjohas+mw@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">Hi Emmor,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The document is really nice, thanks for sharing. IMHO we really need clear guides like this,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Have put your document here, and added some comments.</div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cv3oic5ujJ8_VxqyXQ5xCM3mYhlKTghosJwGH1dkKsc" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/<wbr>document/d/1cv3oic5ujJ8_<wbr>VxqyXQ5xCM3mYhlKTghosJwGH1dkKs<wbr>c</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks,</div><div dir="auto">Bjoern</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 at 16:35, john whelan <<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com" target="_blank">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">>There was a suggestion that the editing software could have regional tag
exclusions. An example would be highway=living_street, a legally
defined type road that is not found in Africa.<br><br></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">There are 2,921 highways currently labelled living_street in Angola. I suspect the problem is people do not read the documentation but copy the tags of another mapper and sometimes these are not as accurate as one might like.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Cheerio John<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 29 July 2017 at 10:48, Vao Matua <span><<a href="mailto:vaomatua@gmail.com" target="_blank">vaomatua@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>I have shared my presentation from SOTM Africa here:<div><a href="https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_2QVFnCIYvpQllEWnR2bWhTVnM" target="_blank">https://drive.google.com/open?<wbr>id=0B_<wbr>2QVFnCIYvpQllEWnR2bWhTVnM</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>There are quite a few photographs of different types of roads in Africa along with the aerial view.</div><div> </div><div>At the workshop in Kampala there was a good deal of discussion and frustration expressed regarding inconsistencies in descriptions and usage. There was not a consensus that additional tags were needed, however, there was general agreement that the Africa Highway Tagging Guide needed some clarification.</div><div>There was a suggestion that the editing software could have regional tag exclusions. An example would be highway=living_street, a legally defined type road that is not found in Africa.</div><div><br></div><div>I like the guidance Bjoern gave us below and the nice presentation. My only suggestion would be that metal roofs could be one factor in determining path/residential/unclassified. I have seen many remote villages only accessible by path that have some metal roofs. I think the same could be true in Nepal?</div><div><br></div><div>Here is a draft 1-page document for use in mapathons</div><div><a href="https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_2QVFnCIYvpVW1xdHZ1RFF0dms" target="_blank">https://drive.google.com/open?<wbr>id=1s0QB-<wbr>B1MKqsRs51jyDsCuldEXsJ_xK17k0-<wbr>kRyKmxoo</a><br></div><div>The order of tag listing is "upside down" emphasizing the most common routes first. highway=service should probably be added and primary could be dropped.</div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Let's continue this conversation.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br>Regards,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Emmor</div><div><div class="m_-2843463035921873049m_8831768672653003473h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 4:41 AM, Bjoern Hassler <span><<a href="mailto:bjohas+mw@gmail.com" target="_blank">bjohas+mw@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Dear friends,<div><br></div><div>I think it would be really good to have a simple set of instructions for people at mapathons. Sure, these can always be amended as per instructions, but it would be nice to have a default set.</div><div><br></div><div>In our "MM Intro" presentation, we came up with this slide</div><div><a href="https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1xFDiMaWRj1RBlXzVYlKp06yE2Ja9Q5rmD9-bPDp1TWo/edit#slide=id.g2326c0c777_5_390" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/<wbr>presentation/d/<wbr>1xFDiMaWRj1RBlXzVYlKp06yE2Ja9Q<wbr>5rmD9-bPDp1TWo/edit#slide=id.<wbr>g2326c0c777_5_390</a><br></div><div>where we try to give practical guidance, and try to delineate the features (i.e. give "negatives" rather than just the definition).</div><div><br></div><div>The slide says:</div><div><div><ul><li>Can it be passed by a vehicle? → unclassified (or better) / residential / track (not path)<br></li><li>Does it connect areas where people live (running within and through villages)? → Unclassified or better (not residential / not track)<br></li><li>Does the road only run within a village or residential areas (not a through-road) → residential<br></li><li>Does the road only run to fields (agric. use)? → track<br></li><li>Is it not passable by car (4x4)? → path<br></li><li>Note: A metal roof arrives by vehicle → roads to houses with metal roofs are unclassified or residential (not path).<br></li></ul></div></div><div>(The set is aimed at cases where M/trunk/1/2/3iary is already in existence, as is often the case.)</div><div><br></div><div>I do think that a set like this will help new mappers with decision making.</div><div><br></div><div>What do people think? I've copied it here <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Highway_Tag_Africa#Mailing_list" target="_blank">https://wiki.<wbr>openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:<wbr>Highway_Tag_Africa#Mailing_<wbr>list</a> in case people want to edit.</div><div><br></div><div>Bjoern</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 29 July 2017 at 12:09, john whelan <span><<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com" target="_blank">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Looking at the wiki changes it looks like mainly clarifications I tend to not use tags higher than tertiary as I think they are best left to local knowledge or someone with more specialised knowledge.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Many Thanks <br><span class="m_-2843463035921873049m_8831768672653003473m_1192491064928804598gmail-m_8589464334759079215m_-3869284778784048204HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>John<br></font></span></div></div><div class="m_-2843463035921873049m_8831768672653003473m_1192491064928804598gmail-m_8589464334759079215m_-3869284778784048204HOEnZb"><div class="m_-2843463035921873049m_8831768672653003473m_1192491064928804598gmail-m_8589464334759079215m_-3869284778784048204h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 July 2017 at 23:25, Vao Matua <span><<a href="mailto:vaomatua@gmail.com" target="_blank">vaomatua@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>I led the discussion at the Highway Tagging workshop on the last day of SOTM Africa.<div>There was quite a bit of discussion and agreement that the existing tagging can be frustrating, however, we did not generate any new proposals for additional tags.</div><div>We did agree on some changes to the <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa" target="_blank">Africa Highway Tagging Guide</a> which has now been updated to reflect not only Functional Class but also Construction class and width.</div><div>I am in the process of preparing a one page reference guide for use in carto-parties and mapathons and by new mappers.</div><div><br></div><div>General changes or clarifications:</div><div>A residential road serves people who live adjacent to it.</div><div>An unclassified road connects settlements and collects traffic from residential roads, tracks, and paths</div><div>A track allows people to access agriculture areas, but not connect to a settlement</div><div>A path can function like an unclassified highway, but is restricted to foot traffic or 2 wheeled vehicles</div><div>Highway = tertiary or secondary may be paved, but not by default.</div><div><br></div><div>Let me know if you have questions or suggestions.</div><div><br></div><div>Emmor</div><div>(Palolo)</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="m_-2843463035921873049m_8831768672653003473m_1192491064928804598gmail-m_8589464334759079215m_-3869284778784048204m_2179290453904539866h5">On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 4:38 PM, john whelan <span><<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com" target="_blank">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_-2843463035921873049m_8831768672653003473m_1192491064928804598gmail-m_8589464334759079215m_-3869284778784048204m_2179290453904539866h5"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">I seem to recall some one posting recently that following discussion at the SOTM Africa in Uganda 2017 some changes had been made to the wiki.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Could some one highlight these. <br><br>Thanks John<br></div></div>
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