<div><div dir="auto">Hi Emmor,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The document is really nice, thanks for sharing. IMHO we really need clear guides like this,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Have put your document here, and added some comments.</div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cv3oic5ujJ8_VxqyXQ5xCM3mYhlKTghosJwGH1dkKsc">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cv3oic5ujJ8_VxqyXQ5xCM3mYhlKTghosJwGH1dkKsc</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks,</div><div dir="auto">Bjoern</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 at 16:35, john whelan <<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">>There was a suggestion that the editing software could have regional tag
exclusions. An example would be highway=living_street, a legally
defined type road that is not found in Africa.<br><br></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">There are 2,921 highways currently labelled living_street in Angola. I suspect the problem is people do not read the documentation but copy the tags of another mapper and sometimes these are not as accurate as one might like.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Cheerio John<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 29 July 2017 at 10:48, Vao Matua <span><<a href="mailto:vaomatua@gmail.com" target="_blank">vaomatua@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>I have shared my presentation from SOTM Africa here:<div><a href="https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_2QVFnCIYvpQllEWnR2bWhTVnM" target="_blank">https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_2QVFnCIYvpQllEWnR2bWhTVnM</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>There are quite a few photographs of different types of roads in Africa along with the aerial view.</div><div> </div><div>At the workshop in Kampala there was a good deal of discussion and frustration expressed regarding inconsistencies in descriptions and usage. There was not a consensus that additional tags were needed, however, there was general agreement that the Africa Highway Tagging Guide needed some clarification.</div><div>There was a suggestion that the editing software could have regional tag exclusions. An example would be highway=living_street, a legally defined type road that is not found in Africa.</div><div><br></div><div>I like the guidance Bjoern gave us below and the nice presentation. My only suggestion would be that metal roofs could be one factor in determining path/residential/unclassified. I have seen many remote villages only accessible by path that have some metal roofs. I think the same could be true in Nepal?</div><div><br></div><div>Here is a draft 1-page document for use in mapathons</div><div><a href="https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_2QVFnCIYvpVW1xdHZ1RFF0dms" target="_blank">https://drive.google.com/open?id=1s0QB-B1MKqsRs51jyDsCuldEXsJ_xK17k0-kRyKmxoo</a><br></div><div>The order of tag listing is "upside down" emphasizing the most common routes first. highway=service should probably be added and primary could be dropped.</div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Let's continue this conversation.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br>Regards,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Emmor</div><div><div class="m_8831768672653003473h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 4:41 AM, Bjoern Hassler <span><<a href="mailto:bjohas+mw@gmail.com" target="_blank">bjohas+mw@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Dear friends,<div><br></div><div>I think it would be really good to have a simple set of instructions for people at mapathons. Sure, these can always be amended as per instructions, but it would be nice to have a default set.</div><div><br></div><div>In our "MM Intro" presentation, we came up with this slide</div><div><a href="https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1xFDiMaWRj1RBlXzVYlKp06yE2Ja9Q5rmD9-bPDp1TWo/edit#slide=id.g2326c0c777_5_390" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1xFDiMaWRj1RBlXzVYlKp06yE2Ja9Q5rmD9-bPDp1TWo/edit#slide=id.g2326c0c777_5_390</a><br></div><div>where we try to give practical guidance, and try to delineate the features (i.e. give "negatives" rather than just the definition).</div><div><br></div><div>The slide says:</div><div><div><ul><li>Can it be passed by a vehicle? → unclassified (or better) / residential / track (not path)<br></li><li>Does it connect areas where people live (running within and through villages)? → Unclassified or better (not residential / not track)<br></li><li>Does the road only run within a village or residential areas (not a through-road) → residential<br></li><li>Does the road only run to fields (agric. use)? → track<br></li><li>Is it not passable by car (4x4)? → path<br></li><li>Note: A metal roof arrives by vehicle → roads to houses with metal roofs are unclassified or residential (not path).<br></li></ul></div></div><div>(The set is aimed at cases where M/trunk/1/2/3iary is already in existence, as is often the case.)</div><div><br></div><div>I do think that a set like this will help new mappers with decision making.</div><div><br></div><div>What do people think? I've copied it here <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Highway_Tag_Africa#Mailing_list" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Highway_Tag_Africa#Mailing_list</a> in case people want to edit.</div><div><br></div><div>Bjoern</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 29 July 2017 at 12:09, john whelan <span><<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com" target="_blank">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Looking at the wiki changes it looks like mainly clarifications I tend to not use tags higher than tertiary as I think they are best left to local knowledge or someone with more specialised knowledge.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Many Thanks <br><span class="m_8831768672653003473m_1192491064928804598gmail-m_8589464334759079215m_-3869284778784048204HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>John<br></font></span></div></div><div class="m_8831768672653003473m_1192491064928804598gmail-m_8589464334759079215m_-3869284778784048204HOEnZb"><div class="m_8831768672653003473m_1192491064928804598gmail-m_8589464334759079215m_-3869284778784048204h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 July 2017 at 23:25, Vao Matua <span><<a href="mailto:vaomatua@gmail.com" target="_blank">vaomatua@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>I led the discussion at the Highway Tagging workshop on the last day of SOTM Africa.<div>There was quite a bit of discussion and agreement that the existing tagging can be frustrating, however, we did not generate any new proposals for additional tags.</div><div>We did agree on some changes to the <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa" target="_blank">Africa Highway Tagging Guide</a> which has now been updated to reflect not only Functional Class but also Construction class and width.</div><div>I am in the process of preparing a one page reference guide for use in carto-parties and mapathons and by new mappers.</div><div><br></div><div>General changes or clarifications:</div><div>A residential road serves people who live adjacent to it.</div><div>An unclassified road connects settlements and collects traffic from residential roads, tracks, and paths</div><div>A track allows people to access agriculture areas, but not connect to a settlement</div><div>A path can function like an unclassified highway, but is restricted to foot traffic or 2 wheeled vehicles</div><div>Highway = tertiary or secondary may be paved, but not by default.</div><div><br></div><div>Let me know if you have questions or suggestions.</div><div><br></div><div>Emmor</div><div>(Palolo)</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="m_8831768672653003473m_1192491064928804598gmail-m_8589464334759079215m_-3869284778784048204m_2179290453904539866h5">On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 4:38 PM, john whelan <span><<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com" target="_blank">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_8831768672653003473m_1192491064928804598gmail-m_8589464334759079215m_-3869284778784048204m_2179290453904539866h5"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">I seem to recall some one posting recently that following discussion at the SOTM Africa in Uganda 2017 some changes had been made to the wiki.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Could some one highlight these. <br><br>Thanks John<br></div></div>
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