<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"><head><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml><o:OfficeDocumentSettings><o:AllowPNG/><o:PixelsPerInch>96</o:PixelsPerInch></o:OfficeDocumentSettings></xml><![endif]--></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yiv2236295960"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_113635"><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_113634"><div id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_120734">Hi Emmor</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_121032"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_134085"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_166030">The Highway Tag Africa wiki page is used in Africa and other countries with similar realities. It has often been discussed since 2013, contributors being in favor in general to bring in this classification that insist on the role of roads vs the infrastructure and other aspects. Be assure that we do consider paths as important elements of mapping. Either in training sessions or for the various OSM Responses like Congo, Mali, Ebola, Nepal, Haiti, etc. we have always given instructions to trace paths either in urban areas or between villages and hamlets, mountains in Nepal, etc.</div></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_137302"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_140451"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_168509">Comparing the wiki page July 9 vs July 22, I see that important segments of this wiki page have been rewritten. </div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_168510"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Highway_Tag_Africa&type=revision&diff=1493742&oldid=1489377" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_168511">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Highway_Tag_Africa&type=revision&diff=1493742&oldid=1489377</a><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_168512"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_168513"><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_168514" clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_140452" dir="ltr">As the architect of this page in 2013, I believe that the modifications made add confusion to the economic an social role of each class of highways. Some descriptions added to each class about passable (access ?), plus road width and surface bring back the notion of infrastructure to describe each class. These additions should be discussed and we have to decide the best place where to introduce these concepts.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_141005"><br id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_137303" clear="none"></div></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_135814">We can group roads in three blocks<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_134538">1. Major interconnecting roads : highway=tertiary and over, that assure the intercity traffic or intra-urban collector traffic in major towns<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_137205">2. Local interconnecting roads : highway=unclassified, interconnection at the local level, between villages / hamlets . There are also paths that connect villages.<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_137261">3. Local roads and paths: higway=residential, track, path</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_137204"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_135947">When we make the distinction between roads and paths it is important to evaluate if a car or a 4x4 can circulate on this way. This is important to evaluate the population that have access to roadways, to evaluate if any access is possible by car to offer services or for emergency support. If information about motorbike access is important, a tag motorcycle=yes could be added.<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_137788"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_137856"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_114296">If a 4x4 can circulate on a way, we do not specify highway=path. If there are seasonal restrictions, (ie. at rainy season in Africa or winter in northern countries), we simply add a restriction to indicate the non-accessibiliy for this period.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_114295"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_116870">The same with tracks. These are important. But we dont want contributors to mark all roads as track making the infrastructure aspects overrule the economic and social role. There are other keys to describe the other aspects.<br></div></div><div id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_138026"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_136731"><br></div>See my analysis of the modifications comparing wiki page July 9 vs July 22.<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Highway_Tag_Africa&type=revision&diff=1493742&oldid=1489377" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_137847"><br></a><br></div><span id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_143140">The addition below to the wiki page is a bit confusing, not clear what we want to insist on here <br id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_143141" clear="none"></span><ul dir="ltr" id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_143142"><li id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_143143">Please note that a <tt dir="ltr" id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_143144" style="background:#EEF;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_143145" target="_blank" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway" title="Key:highway" title-off="">highway</a> =<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_143146" target="_blank" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrack" title="Tag:highway=track" title-off=""> track</a></tt> is not a more primitive construction class of a residential road</li></ul><div id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_143147"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_144437"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_118056"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_119170"><b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_136444">Road passable, road width and surface</b> : Additions made to the various classes reduce the clarity. <br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_120542">1. road passable - we talk here of access permitted to piedestrians, motos, etc. For more clarity and keep the classification easier to understand, I suggest that this access description should be in a distinct section an not repeated in each class (ie. primary, secondary, tertiary, etc.)<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_120541">2. road width - My objective writing this wiki page in 2013 was to insist about the distinction between the economic / social role of a road vs the infrastructures and road condition. This insistance on widths is confusing, bringing in the concept of the state of the road vs it's role. A note to say this is simply indicative?<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_119171" dir="ltr">3. surface - there are other sections to talk about surface - not necessary to add in each class.<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_152288"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_127938" dir="ltr"><b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_135198">Highway=secondary,</b> New description is less clear</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_127864" dir="ltr">Original :<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_129160"></div><ul id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_157539"><li id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_157538">The roads connecting with regional capital cities and the towns of some importance (health services, commerce, etc.).</li></ul>The new description, the first sentence added is less clear.<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_133990"><ul id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_157531"><li id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_157532">Major transportation routes connecting cities and large towns. Collector function in urban areas.</li></ul><br><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_185524"><b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_153407">highway=tertiary</b>, New description, the first sentence added is less clear.</div>Original<br><ul id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_156438"><li id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_156437">The roads interconnecting villages and the major streets in towns of some importance.</li></ul>The new description added<br><ul id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_156384"><li id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_156383">Major transportation routes connecting towns and larger villages. Collector function in urban areas. </li></ul><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_129164"><div></div></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_145278"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_155043"><b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_139236">highway=unclassified</b> <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_155041" dir="ltr">This class is used to distinguish rural roads interconnecting villages VS tracks going to the outskirts of villages. We
should clarify that the section that cross a village, even if housings
on each side should still be classified higway=unclassified.</div></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_146582"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_157599">The new definition is ambiguous</div><ul dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_156284"><li id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_156283">Minor collector roads that allow travel and commerce from paths and
residential roads to and between settlements. Generally not residential</li></ul><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_149856"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_149858"><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_149857" clear="none"></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_155040"><br></div><div id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_144688"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_144797"><b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_139232">highway=residential</b></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_145037">- Previous description was</div></div><ul id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_144689"><li id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_144690">Used
for roads in the residential areas except the major streets that
interconnect with various roads (ie. primary, secondary, tertiary).
Should not be used to connect villages and hamlets.<br id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_144691" clear="none"></li></ul><div id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_144692">- New description is unclear, adds confusion talking of urban and rural<br clear="none"></div><ul dir="ltr" id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_144693"><li id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_144694">
In urban or rural setting roads which serve as an access to housing,
without function of connecting settlements . Often lined with housing .</li></ul><span id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_144695" style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;"></span></div><div id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_120381"><br><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_140359"><b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_147297">highway=track<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_145039"></b><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_147350"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_147351">- Previous description was</div></div><ul id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_157595"><li id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_157594">The small roads going outside the residential areas, mainly for '''agricultural and forestry''' purposes. Tracks can also be found in National Parks and Game Reserves. In general these roads do not have connecting function with other roads, and do not connect villages/hamlets.}}}</li></ul><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_149734">- New description, the first sentence is unclear</div><ul id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_157593"><li id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_157592">Access route from dwellings to agricultural and forestry areas. Roads within National Parks and Game Reserves may be tagged as tracks. No connection function between settlements.</li></ul><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_147424"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_147425"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_157597">Regard</div></div><div id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_140921"> </div></div><div class="yiv2236295960signature" id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_120345"><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;"> <br clear="none"><font face="garamond, new york, times, serif">Pierre </font><br clear="none"></span></div><div class="yiv2236295960qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_120346"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div><div class=".yiv2236295960yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_144898"> <div id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_120353" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"> <div id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_120352" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande,;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr" id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_120351"> <font id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_120350" face="Arial" size="2"> </font><hr id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_144987" size="1"> <b id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_120433"><span id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_120432" style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> Vao Matua <vaomatua@gmail.com><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">À :</span></b> Jens Mueller (Historical Research Services) <hrs@hist.de> <br clear="none"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc :</span></b> HOT Openstreetmap <hot@openstreetmap.org><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Dimanche 30 juillet 2017 11h03<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re: [HOT] Highway Tag Africa wiki<div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv2236295960yqt9998827221" id="yiv2236295960yqtfd55324"><br clear="none"> </div></div><div class="yiv2236295960yqt9998827221" id="yiv2236295960yqtfd91341"> <div class="yiv2236295960y_msg_container" id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_120357"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv2236295960"><div id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_120360"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_120359"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri;font-size:medium;">Ukundji</span><br clear="none"><div id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_134071"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri;font-size:medium;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_134066"><span id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_134065" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri;font-size:medium;">Thank you for you comments, yes Ethiopia needs to have an OSM restart.</span></div><div id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_134064"><span id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_134063" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri;font-size:medium;">For the last 10 months I was living in SNNPR and was not able to meet a single OSM contributor.</span></div><div id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_134073"><span id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_134072" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri;font-size:medium;">The infrastructure, unfortunately, makes OSM contributions and even use very difficult.</span></div><div id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_120358"><span id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_134323" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri;font-size:medium;">Ethiopians would be very interested in getting OSMAnd on their phones, however, it appears to be a restricted app.</span></div><div id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_120362"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri;font-size:medium;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_120365"><span id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_120364" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri;font-size:medium;">In terms of paths to Ethiopian villages it is indeed the case that the primary or only transportation route to a population may only be by foot or donkey traffic on a path.</span></div><div id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_120379"><span id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_120378" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri;font-size:medium;">I think the perception that a path is not important is quite common and is not true. Important or significant paths need to be mapped for commerce, food safety, and potential relief efforts, not only in Ethiopia but in other parts of Africa and places throughout the world.</span></div><div id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_134077"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri;font-size:medium;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_134082"><span id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_134081" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri;font-size:medium;">The discussion about <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_134080" target="_blank" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/Importance">importance</a> doesn't seem to have moved forward but could have some value.</span></div><div id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_120366"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri;font-size:medium;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_120368"><font id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_120367" face="Calibri" size="3" color="#000000">At SOTM Africa earlier this month there was quite a bit of discussion on highway tags, including paths. Based on that discussion I have updated the <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa">Africa Highway Tagging guide</a> to help clarify that a road has not only a construction class as well as an economic or social function.</font></div><div id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_134079"><font face="Calibri" size="3" color="#000000"><br clear="none"></font></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501613194148_185769"><font face="Calibri" size="3" color="#000000">Regards</font></div><div id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_120375"><font face="Calibri" size="3" color="#000000"><br clear="none"></font></div><div id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_120370"><font face="Calibri" size="3" color="#000000">Emmor</font></div><div id="yiv2236295960yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501336421689_120371"><font face="Calibri" size="3" color="#000000">(<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://hdyc.neis-one.org/?Palolo">Palolo</a>) <br></font></div></div></div></div><br clear="none"></div> </div></div><div class="yiv2236295960yqt9998827221" id="yiv2236295960yqtfd07685"> </div></div><div class="yiv2236295960yqt9998827221" id="yiv2236295960yqtfd55291"> </div></div></div></body></html>