<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">I'm after the most recently mapped tile because that one is the way they are currently mapping and that's what I'd like to correct.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">If I get a name that gives me one or more tiles. Which is the most recent? If they are mapping in a group they may well have corrected themselves or even by themselves they may have experimented then read the documentation and corrected themselves.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">I've had mappers with three of four years experience who have benefited from feedback. One was using highway=track rather than highway=unclassified because he once put in name=unclassified in JOSM got an error there after used highway=track. English even the US variety wasn't their first language.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">You should know by now I'm awkward and do things differently.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Cheerio John<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 21 October 2017 at 16:08, Blake Girardot <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bgirardot@gmail.com" target="_blank">bgirardot@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I think you just want to sort by "last feedback" then.<br>
<br>
That should tell you how long it has been since the mapper last got<br>
feedback and if it is the same as their registration time, you know<br>
they have probably never gotten feedback.<br>
<br>
Can you try that and see if it is a fair replacement for your most<br>
recently mapped task. I think it will get you the same thing<br>
essentially.<br>
<br>
regards<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">blake<br>
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On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 3:48 PM, john whelan <<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Remember I'm basically lazy. I do two things when I validate. The first is<br>
> clean up the second is provide feedback.<br>
><br>
> The sooner someone receives feedback the better the response. You get more<br>
> tiles out of them and they are of a higher quality. This means less clean<br>
> up for me to do.<br>
><br>
> Someone confirmed the feedback loop and confirmed that within 24 hours is<br>
> best then you get a trickle down effect so after a week you get much lower<br>
> responses.<br>
><br>
> The other part is if I'm validating tiles that are a week old am I going to<br>
> annoy the mapper because they may have already corrected their bad habits as<br>
> a result of earlier feedback and yet these are still being mentioned. So<br>
> the mapper doesn't get a warm fuzzy and to be honest it takes longer for me<br>
> to provide proper feedback than to have mapped the tile myself. Remember<br>
> I'm lazy.<br>
><br>
> So when I land on a project the ideal is validate the most recently mapped<br>
> tiles first then quietly clean up the rest.<br>
><br>
> Does that make it clearer? It's about problem avoidance or prevention<br>
> rather than verifying the mapping as such.<br>
><br>
> The how long have they been mapping helps, some mappers I'll take a quick<br>
> glance at, newer mappers it's zoom in and look for a few more things.<br>
><br>
> Thanks John<br>
><br>
> On 21 Oct 2017 3:32 pm, "Blake Girardot HOT/OSM" <<a href="mailto:blake.girardot@hotosm.org">blake.girardot@hotosm.org</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi John,<br>
>><br>
>> If you could explain just a bit more about why the most recently<br>
>> mapped task is your main priority (sometimes)?<br>
>><br>
>> I do not understand.<br>
>><br>
>> I understand it has something to do with someone who mapped 3 months<br>
>> ago, we now also send emails so time passed since they last mapped is<br>
>> much much less of an issue (Martin is going to maybe look at redoing<br>
>> his analysis).<br>
>><br>
>> We actually started off with what you are asking for, but feedback<br>
>> from users was they were much more interested in getting to the newest<br>
>> mappers the fastest, which is what we ended up going with.<br>
>><br>
>> Maybe it is easy to add back in, but that table is already pretty crowded.<br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>> Blake<br>
>><br>
>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 2:37 PM, john whelan <<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>> > I've found what you are doing on the video, your accent is fine you know<br>
>> > of<br>
>> > course that people studying English like what it is spoke years ago<br>
>> > travel<br>
>> > to parts of the US to record the Americans as their language has been<br>
>> > isolated for many years so it much closer to English what was spoke when<br>
>> > their families emigrated.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Yes I can pick out a user who registered ten minutes ago and the tiles<br>
>> > they<br>
>> > mapped but that isn't what I'm after. I'm after the most recently<br>
>> > mapped<br>
>> > tile and that's the one that is the most valuable to give feedback on.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > By the way I'm using cut and paste on the name displayed below to give<br>
>> > feedback with the @ sign or <Crtl>i to grab the username in JOSM, its<br>
>> > faster<br>
>> > than typing it in as you were doing. Some mappers are naughty and do<br>
>> > not<br>
>> > completely map a tile, but their mapping still requires feedback even if<br>
>> > someone else finishes it off.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Thanks<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Cheerio John<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On 21 October 2017 at 14:20, Blake Girardot <<a href="mailto:bgirardot@gmail.com">bgirardot@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Hi John,<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Thank you very much for your feedback on the TM3, this and the<br>
>> >> previous. And thank you for putting them in GitHub, that is really the<br>
>> >> best place for them.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> The TM3 has better than the most recently mapped task.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> The most recently mapped task tells you nothing about the skill level<br>
>> >> or the newness of the mapper. It could have been completed by me, 7+<br>
>> >> years in OSM.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> What I really want is to find when I am validating is the newest<br>
>> >> mapper who someone has not already given feedback.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> No point in me giving a 2 hour old user feedback if you got one of<br>
>> >> their tasks 5 mins ago.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> That is what you can see in the Tasking Manager 3.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I know my accent bugs you, so I made a silent video of how I use the<br>
>> >> TM3 to get the newest mappers feedback as fast as possible:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> <a href="https://youtu.be/BX8rzi2NqQY" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/BX8rzi2NqQY</a><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Let me know what you think of the workflow in the video if you would<br>
>> >> please.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Respectfully,<br>
>> >> blake<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 11:06 AM, john whelan <<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> wrote:<br>
>> >> > Typically when I validate I validate the most recently mapped tiles<br>
>> >> > first<br>
>> >> > working on the principle that the faster feedback the more likely it<br>
>> >> > is<br>
>> >> > to<br>
>> >> > be effective.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > If someone has already changed their habits telling them that two<br>
>> >> > villages<br>
>> >> > two kilometers apart are probably not connected by a primary highway<br>
>> >> > but<br>
>> >> > by<br>
>> >> > a minor road three months after they have mapped is a waste of time.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > I can't see how to do this in TM3. I need a link to the tile.<br>
>> >> ><br>
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>> >> ><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
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>> >> Blake Girardot<br>
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>> >> skype: jblakegirardot<br>
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>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
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>><br>
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