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I also think automated messages (especially with this text) are no
good. For me validating, I see three situations:<br>
1) The work is bad or the tile is not fully mapped: --> I
invalidate. I always invalidate with a comment and I think everybody
does it like this (or maybe it is even a must?)<br>
2) The work is perfect, I don't have to correct anything --> I
validate, and sometimes I write a comment, sometimes not (if it was
a lot of work I write something, if there was almost nothing to map
I dont)<br>
3) It is something in between. A few objects are not mapped or some
overlapping / not squared buildings etc. --> I correct it and
press validate. Again, I comment sometimes, but not everytime. <br>
<br>
Especially for number 3, the work is neither perfect or "awesome".
So if there is an automated message like the text John posted, I
don't want it to be sent out because it would be wrong. <br>
<br>
How to improve it? Possible solutions (not ranked):<br>
1) Make comments compulsory (maybe provide some text for copy-paste
or own templates?)<br>
2) Provide a page for every user with information about my mapped
tasks. How many have been validated, how many invalidated, how many
not checked? I am definitely interested in that. And if you map a
lot it is better to have an overview over your work on such a page
than on dozens of mails. <br>
3) Create a checkbox: "I want to be informed, when this task gets
validated" and when you check it, you get an email, if not you
don't. (One should be able to set the default setting of this
checkbox individually)<br>
<br>
And apart from this: In the TM2 comment box, when I pressed "@" all
usernames of mappers of the locked tile were proposed. In TM3 this
isnt. I hope this will be implemented again, it really speeds things
up. <br>
<br>
Florian<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 2017-10-29 um 14:36 schrieb john
whelan:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">If you
work by validating tiles on a project as they are done as I do
so the tile is validated within a day or so and the project
has 95% of the mapped tiles validated this isn't a problem.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">I do
have a strong negative reaction to seeing the word awesome all
over the place it might work in Chicago but it doesn't fit the
culture of many people from other backgrounds.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">I have
removed my email address so I no longer get these unwanted
messages in my email.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">A lot
of OSM mapping is done by a few mappers. On a project I'm
working on one mapper has mapped more than 120 tiles. Fine but
with so many messages any feedback I might want to give them
will get lost in the bulk of the messages. The other
objection to this is the time it takes to review and read the
messages in Task Manager. The more you map the more junk mail
you get.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">A very
unhappy validator.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">John<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 29 October 2017 at 08:22, Blake
Girardot HOT/OSM <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:blake.girardot@hotosm.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">blake.girardot@hotosm.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi John,<br>
One of the main feedback items we got was that people
received no<br>
notifications of when their work was validated so that is
why we<br>
switched from sending a message to the users when their work
was<br>
validated instead of only when it was invalidated.<br>
<br>
They are probably going to stay and as I said, improved so
when people<br>
do not want to receive them anymore they can opt out of
validation<br>
emails/messages specifically.<br>
<br>
Typically spam is unsolicited emails, however, emails from
the Tasking<br>
Manager are fully opt-in. If you do not provide your email
address,<br>
you do not receive any emails. You can remove your email
address at<br>
anytime and you will no longer receive emails from the
Tasking<br>
Manager.<br>
<br>
As I said, eventually you will be able to opt in and out of
different<br>
types of emails/messages so you could choose to not receive
messages<br>
or emails when your tasks get validated.<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
Blake<br>
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On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 1:06 PM, john whelan <<a
href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> I think I've validated more than 10,000 tiles I
would hate to think I'd be<br>
> responsible for 10,000 spam messages.<br>
><br>
> These are meaningless and I think they should be
stopped as quickly as<br>
> possible.<br>
><br>
> I apologise to any mappers that have received these
as part of my<br>
> validations.<br>
><br>
> I will have to give consideration as to whether to
continue to validate<br>
> whilst these are being generated as I really do not
want any part of them.<br>
><br>
> Cheerio John<br>
><br>
> On 29 October 2017 at 07:49, Blake Girardot <<a
href="mailto:bgirardot@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">bgirardot@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi John,<br>
>><br>
>> Yes, the Tasking Manger sends an automated
message each time a task is<br>
>> validated.<br>
>><br>
>> The wording of the automated message has been
improved.<br>
>><br>
>> The previous version of the Tasking Manager
used to send an automated<br>
>> message when a task was invalidated, but we
have switched that to send<br>
>> when they are validated.<br>
>><br>
>> If you want to send a message when invalidating
a task just use the @<br>
>> to make direct one to the right person.<br>
>><br>
>> Eventually there will be an opt out for the
validation messages.<br>
>><br>
>> Cheers<br>
>> Blake<br>
>><br>
>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 12:28 PM, john whelan
<<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>> > "John, this was an automated message after
my validation, probably from<br>
>> > the<br>
>> > Tasking manager. Not one I wrote ! I
received similar messages from<br>
>> > validators on my tasks."<br>
>> ><br>
>> > What is going on please. Am I generating
these if so I'll stop<br>
>> > validating.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Thanks John<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On 29 October 2017 at 07:01, john whelan
<<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> "Hi Johnwhelan I just validated your
mapping on Task 14. Awesome work!<br>
>> >> Keep mapping :)"<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Once maybe but seven identical
messages this morning other than the<br>
>> >> task<br>
>> >> number? These are coming in daily
from different people and I'm not<br>
>> >> happy<br>
>> >> to receive them. Combined with these
come to my email address which I<br>
>> >> read<br>
>> >> on multiple devices including ones
that do not have access to HOT and<br>
>> >> they<br>
>> >> get really annoying.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Cheerio John<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
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>> > <a
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>> ><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> ------------------------------<wbr>----------------------<br>
>> Blake Girardot<br>
>> OSM Wiki - <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.<wbr>org/wiki/User:Bgirardot</a><br>
>> HOTOSM Member - <a
href="https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://hotosm.org/users/<wbr>blake_girardot</a><br>
>> skype: jblakegirardot<br>
>> Live OSM Mapper-Support channel - <a
href="https://hotosm-slack.herokuapp.com/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://hotosm-slack.<wbr>herokuapp.com/</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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