<html><head></head><body><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div>Let's stop apologizing to Bryan and figure out how HOT can practically do better to support a vibrant developer community. It's not about more mailing list discussion, but clarity and leadership and how to be productive.</div><div><br></div><div class="ydp4d7186b0signature">* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron</div></div>
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                        On Wednesday, December 13, 2017, 2:06:23 PM EST, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM <blake.girardot@hotosm.org> wrote:
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                    <div><div dir="ltr">Hi Bryan,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I just want to echo what Russ said, and let you know how much I and<br clear="none">everyone at HOT appreciates how much you have done for the<br clear="none">OpenStreetMap community. The iD editor and your work specifically, has<br clear="none">made the OpenStreetMap project and open geospatial data creation<br clear="none">accessible to 10's of thousands of people around the world. It is a<br clear="none">tool that people can use to improve their lives and their communities<br clear="none">and it helped OSM become the critically important project that it is<br clear="none">today.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I also know how much you have personally done for HOT above and beyond<br clear="none">your regular iD editor wizardry.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I sincerely apologize we as an organization did not do a better job<br clear="none">make sure you knew how much we appreciated you and your contribution<br clear="none">to OSM.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Respectfully,<br clear="none">blake<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Russell Deffner<br clear="none"><<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:russell.deffner@hotosm.org" href="mailto:russell.deffner@hotosm.org">russell.deffner@hotosm.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">> Bryan,<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> I hope you know that HOT appreciates all you do; personally I don’t disagree<br clear="none">> with leaving communication channels that are more frustration than anything<br clear="none">> else.  My point being, that message was against the Code of Conduct for all<br clear="none">> community members participating in HOT related tools and platforms,<br clear="none">> including this public list.  However, retaliating against HOT the<br clear="none">> organization because of one ‘random’ person’s email, I don’t agree with.<br clear="none">> Everyone should consider that they are communicating with other human beings<br clear="none">> and when IRL does that kind of communication work to get the results you’re<br clear="none">> after?<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> If there is anything I can do to moderate and send people to the correct<br clear="none">> means to ‘air their grievance’ you are welcome to contact me directly,<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> =Russ<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Russell Deffner<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Voting Member+<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Email: <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Russell.Deffner@hotosm.org" href="mailto:Russell.Deffner@hotosm.org">Russell.Deffner@hotosm.org</a><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> OSM/Skype: russdeffner<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT)<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Web | Wiki | Blog | Contact | Donate – Please Help Us #MapTheDifference<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> From: Bryan Housel [mailto:<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:bryan@7thposition.com" href="mailto:bryan@7thposition.com">bryan@7thposition.com</a>]<br clear="none">> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 10:57 AM<br clear="none">> To: Russell Deffner<br clear="none">> Cc: Ralf Stephan; osm-hot<br clear="none">> Subject: Re: [HOT] sporadic validation report<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Russ I *am* on this mailing list.  But good news for all of you - I’m<br clear="none">> unsubscribing.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> I don’t prioritize features for people or organizations who hate me.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Thanks though,<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Bryan<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> On Dec 13, 2017, at 12:51 PM, Russell Deffner <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:russell.deffner@hotosm.org" href="mailto:russell.deffner@hotosm.org">russell.deffner@hotosm.org</a>><br clear="none">> wrote:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Hi Ralf,<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> I hope it doesn’t need much explaining, but that message doesn’t belong on<br clear="none">> the HOT mailing list for 2 reasons.  1) The iD developers are not<br clear="none">> necessarily on the HOT mailing list (this list is for discussing things<br clear="none">> related to the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT) <a shape="rect" href="https://hotosm.org" target="_blank">https://hotosm.org</a>).<br clear="none">> 2) The message is in conflict with our Code of Conduct<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="https://www.hotosm.org/hot_code_of_conduct#fullversion" target="_blank">https://www.hotosm.org/hot_code_of_conduct#fullversion</a><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> It would be unfortunate if we need to so quickly put the new community CoC<br clear="none">> into practice, but this message would be a good example for when to put our<br clear="none">> foot down.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Please take a break and think before corresponding with us,<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> =Russ<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Russell Deffner<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT)<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Web | Wiki | Blog | Contact | Donate – Please help us #mapthedifference!<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> From: Ralf Stephan [mailto:<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:gtrwst9@gmail.com" href="mailto:gtrwst9@gmail.com">gtrwst9@gmail.com</a>]<br clear="none">> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 9:45 AM<br clear="none">> To: <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org">hot@openstreetmap.org</a><br clear="none">> Subject: [HOT] sporadic validation report<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Hello,<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> just now 5 out of 5 people that registered within the last 24 hours and<br clear="none">> worked on task #3939 did not square their buildings. I hate you, iD devs.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">> HOT mailing list<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a><br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot</a><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">> HOT mailing list<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a><br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot</a><br clear="none">><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">-- <br clear="none">----------------------------------------------------<br clear="none">Blake Girardot<div class="yqt5304027068" id="yqtfd04349"><br clear="none">Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team<br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">HOT mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot</a><br clear="none"></div></div></div>
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