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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hola,</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Yes, I think it was one of the concerns
of the creators of the revised guidelines to assure that the
scattered information on project's websites like Missing Maps and
companies' blogs finds a way back to OpenStreetMap's
infrastructure.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The Tasking Manager is probably the
software that is used for most organised editing efforts. And a
lot of the information required by the Organised Editing
Guidelines is already present in the projects' descriptions and
database of the TM. There the idea emerged that the TM could
(automatically) report back to OpenStreetMap. This would make it
much easier to comply with the guidelines. Me too, I don't think
the wiki is a good place for managing this. Following the idea of
automated reporting through the TM, and estimating the amount of
projects created on all instances, I know of, I'm not sure,
whether we want the wiki to have thousands of entries every year
and I actually don't know if automated feeding would work.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">However I understand the value to store
reporting on organised editing activities on OSMF's side and in
one central repository. I just doubt a bit about the technology
proposed to be used.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Some conversation around that has
started here, and I invite people to participate
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/hotosm/tasking-manager/issues/1373">https://github.com/hotosm/tasking-manager/issues/1373</a></div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Thanks,<br>
Felix<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/28/19 2:16 PM, Rebecca Firth
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<div dir="ltr">Hiya,</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Just to follow up on this, the mapathons will
be supporting Missing Maps projects. Validation activities
to support the mapathons are already planned for the
following week, as well as other activities such as training
and this effort to find local experienced mappers who are
interested in supporting the mapathons and providing
additional OSM expertise & also contributing to
improving quality.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Missing Maps groups are very aware of OEG but
are still working on how best to create documentation to fit
best with both OEG suggestions and practicality. Much of
this information is presently available in slightly
different forms (such as the events list on the Missing Maps
website), which need to be linked to/synthesized differently
to fit with OEG. For additional information, HOT-specific
work in progress towards the OEG is available at: <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities/Humanitarian_OpenStreetMap_Team"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities/Humanitarian_OpenStreetMap_Team</a></div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 8:59
PM Vao Matua <<a href="mailto:vaomatua@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">vaomatua@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>I agree that we need to change the way we do mapathons,
the credibility of HOT and OSM is at risk.</div>
<div><span>I have observed some characteristics about the
OSM mapping through HOT tasks being done by mapathons,
primarily ones done by corporate sponsors.</span>
<div>It appears that often these efforts are not well led,
or at least not led by individuals that have a good
level of OSM experience and skills. The results are that
very common mistakes and errors are created.</div>
<div>1) The instructions are not followed, nor even
apparently read.</div>
<div>2) Individuals assume that a tile must be completely
mapped and will add features that are not called for in
the instructions such as landuse or highways.</div>
<div>3) The tagging of features is not done based on OSM
guidance, for example a path in Tanzania is often tagged
as "motorway", "primary", "secondary" or other type of
highway.</div>
<div>4) Additional tags are added without local knowledge
such as railroads, traffic cameras, and businesses that
are not apparent from imagery.</div>
<div>5) Using iD with the default image (Bing) without
changing the background image leads people to mark a
tile as "bad imagery" when the Digital Globe or Esri
imagery in that location is fine.<br>
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<div>6) Sometimes mappers will assume that OSM is a game
like Sim City or Minecraft and create their own
imaginary features</div>
<div>7) One characteristic of many of these mappers is an
apparent hurried to try to finish a tile. The buildings
are over-generalized by either combining buildings,
creating polygons much larger than the actual building,
often the shapes are very crude and are not carefully
formed with right angles, many buildings are skipped or
overlooked, many are overlapping with other buildings or
roads, and in many cases create self-intersecting
polygons</div>
<div>8) Once a mapper starts with these bad habits the
habits are picked up by others working at the same time
which expands the problems</div>
<div>9) It appears that after a small number of edit
sessions the mappers from these efforts do not continue
with other HOT tasks, and presumably go a way thinking
they have done their feel-good-humanitarian-service.</div>
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<div>The net result of these mapathons is that rather than
contributing to the completion of mapping in an area,
there is actually more work required to clean up the
messes than there would have been to properly trace the
features from scratch.</div>
<div>I do not believe this is a validation issue, but is
an issue with leadership. The individual organizing the
event for the corporation or group may have little or no
OSM experience, and have been giving the task of setting
up the mapathon and do not have the skills or expertise
to help newbie mappers. I also have seen people that
claim to have OSM experience or skills often are very
inexperienced and have very slight exposure, There is a
lot to learn about OSM, and we do ourselves a disservice
by saying that it's easy and anyone can do it. We should
be happy to teach people, but I don't believe any of us
doesn't have more to learn.</div>
<div>I have led several corporate mapathons in person and
remotely, they are hard work. The same can be said for
tertiary school effort.</div>
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<div>Perhaps HOT should establish a test or a vetting
process for potential mapathon leaders?</div>
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2:06 PM Mikel Maron <<a
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Important to note the guidelines are suggestions not
enforced requirements of the OSMF. More on that in the
blog post <br>
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2019/02/09/organised-editing-guidelines/</a>
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<div>My opinion is master list of mapathons is a very
good idea. I don’t think the wiki is best system
suited to be the place for that primary list. Another
tool could mirror to the wiki for archiving purposes.</div>
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<div>I agree with Pierre. Data quality needs to become a
primary focus of these and other mapping activities
asap. Otherwise it’s not valuable experience for those
present or everyone else working with OSM data. I
think that will take more than trend, but a
substantial direct investment by HOT, Missing Maps and
others in systematically operationalizing data quality
improvements across through training, monitoring, etc.<br>
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Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 11:22 AM, Pierre Béland
via HOT <<a href="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org"
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<div>Shoud I insist, we also need a new
trend where such projects take
responsability to produce quality data.
Badly, too often, this is not what we
observe. For the Ebola response in North
Kivu, the coordinators, we had to restart
the mapping of Butembo in december since
the data produced by newbies was so
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<div>Adequate training material and mapathon
procedures need to be developped for Live
data monitoring, interaction with newbies,
and correct immediately quality problems.
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