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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Reviewing this file, it only contains highway=residential, highway=track, highway=footway, highway=pedestrian and leisure=garden. Are you not proposing to import anything other than streets and gardens?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The accuracy of the roads appears to be good, although potentially dated. The NW cluster of data overlaps with the E-90 which appears in the imagery to have been recently expanded.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’ve placed a screenshot of an area up at <a href="http://maps.paulnorman.ca/imports/review/spanish_temp1.png">http://maps.paulnorman.ca/imports/review/spanish_temp1.png</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Carlos Dávila [mailto:cdavilam@orangecorreo.es] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 28, 2012 12:00 AM<br><b>To:</b> imports@openstreetmap.org<br><b>Cc:</b> Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap<br><b>Subject:</b> [Imports] Fwd: Re: Spanish cadastre<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Some days ago I sent the mail below to the list, but by an error it went only to Paul Norman and the Spanish mailing list. I would like to get feedback from you about the sample data from Spanish Cadastre to be imported [1]. A new sample can be downloaded from [2].<br>P.S. FYI, we have written some draft information in English about the import at [3]<br>[2] <a href="http://mapas.alternativaslibres.es/Don_Benito.zip">http://mapas.alternativaslibres.es/Don_Benito.zip</a><br>[3] <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Spanish_Cadastre_import">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Spanish_Cadastre_import</a><br><br>-------- Mensaje original -------- <o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b>Asunto: <o:p></o:p></b></p></td><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Re: [Imports] Spanish cadastre<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b>Fecha: <o:p></o:p></b></p></td><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 22:47:17 +0100<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b>De: <o:p></o:p></b></p></td><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Carlos Dávila <a href="mailto:cdavilam@orangecorreo.es"><cdavilam@orangecorreo.es></a><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b>Para: <o:p></o:p></b></p></td><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Paul Norman <a href="mailto:penorman@mac.com"><penorman@mac.com></a><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b>CC: <o:p></o:p></b></p></td><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap <a href="mailto:talk-es@openstreetmap.org"><talk-es@openstreetmap.org></a><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><pre>El 22/03/12 20:38, Paul Norman escribió:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> From: Carlos Dávila [<a href="mailto:cdavilam@orangecorreo.es">mailto:cdavilam@orangecorreo.es</a>]<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 5:28 AM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> To: <a href="mailto:imports@openstreetmap.org">imports@openstreetmap.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Subject: [Imports] Spanish cadastre<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>>> This mail is to announce the intention of the Spanish OSM community to<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> import data from Spanish Cadastre and get feedback from you.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> The idea of this import arises with the publication of the license and<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> access criteria to massive download of data from Spanish Cadastre [1] on<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> march 2011, which states: "Public use of cadastrial data is permitted,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> including commercial use, if such data have been previously transformed<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> in any way...". Original data is supplied as shapefiles with different<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> coordinate reference systems. Reprojecting those shapefiles to EPSG:4326<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> and converting to *.osm format is enough transformation to allow<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> mentioned public use, according with the reference Spanish "Law of<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> intellectual property" [2], as established in its article 21, which also<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> says that copyrights of the transformed product belongs to the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> transformer, in this case the (Spanish) OSM community.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Data from Spanish Cadastre is known to have a high accuracy and include<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> a lot of information of interest for OSM project, such as buildings<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> (shape, use, height, number of floors, etc.), rural and urban parcels<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> land use, most of streets and roads of the country, power stations,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> tracks and paths, trees... Many of this information is currently in OSM,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> mainly ways and roads, but a great part is still missing, specially in<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> low populated areas where a ground survey is less likely to be made.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> This import has been largely discussed on Spanish mailing list, with a<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> general consensus on the usefulness of the import and a "we must do it"<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> agreement.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Specific software (cat2osm) is being developed [3] to import data, which<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> source code is available at Github [4]. It is currently being tested by<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> some members of the community to get a stable status. Some images of the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> preliminary results can be seen at [5]. Transformed data is thought to<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> be always manually checked in JOSM by osmers knowing the area and only<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> after that uploaded. The way original data is translated into osm format<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> by cat2osm tool is documented in [6] and has been established with the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> participation of several members of the community.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> What is your proposed tagging of these objects?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>> Cadastre generally have a lot of detailed information, not all of which is<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> suitable for importing into OSM. Which datasets do you intend to import and<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> which do you intend to leave out?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Specific accounts have been created for the import, one for each Spanish<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> province [7]. There's a member of the Spanish community responsible of<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> each province import.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> What software do you plan to use to conflate with existing OSM data?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> How do you intend to upload the data?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Approximately how large will the changesets be?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Looking forward for your comments<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Carlos Dávila<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> I suggest breaking your import proposal into sub-proposals for each type of<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> data set. E.g. have a different proposal for roads than for buildings.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>cat2osm can process data of a given municipality as a whole or in <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>separate steps, processing different kind of data. That result in <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>separate *.osm files, containing buildings, highway=*, parcels, <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>subparcels, etc. Also urban and rural areas are in separate input <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>shapefiles. What I want to show you is that importer (remember it's not <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>planned as an automated import) can control what to import and the size <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>of the dataset to upload. I have uploaded some sample data to [1]. For a <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>given municipality, zip contains raw data provided by cat2osm for <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>highway=*, current data in OSM database and merged data for the urban <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>area processed with JOSM. IMHO these data could be uploaded to OSM <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>(using JOSM) without any risk to face those problems have been mentioned <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>in this thread.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>[1] <a href="http://mapas.alternativaslibres.es/Navalvillar.zip">http://mapas.alternativaslibres.es/Navalvillar.zip</a><o:p></o:p></pre></div></div></body></html>