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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I believe the opinion of the LWG is that a source tag cannot be used to satisfy a legal requirement. Keep in mind that source tags are routinely stripped from the database by many tools (e.g. osm2pgsql). There are no “required” tags that are legally required.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Because only 311 maps to landuse=forest+wood=deciduous the CLC:code duplicates the tagging. Is it not possible to then remove CLC:code?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> László Csatlós [mailto:plutoz01@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 03, 2012 1:10 PM<br><b>To:</b> imports@openstreetmap.org<br><b>Subject:</b> [Imports] Fwd: Hungarian CLC import<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'm a CLC importer from Hungary, too.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>> Is it possible to use a source key that makes it clear that it’s CLC?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Nope.<br>We have to use the source "© EEA, Koppenhága (2009); Készítette a FÖMI a KvVM megbízásából (2009)", because we received the whole data indirectly not from Corine but from FÖMI.<br>FÖMI means ~ Ministry of Environment and Water (in Hungary), they merged the seperated CLC layers (located <a href="http://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/data/clc-2006-vector-data-version-2" target="_blank">HERE</a>) and cut them with the Hungary polygon. We downloaded from their <a href="http://www.kvvm.hu/index.php?pid=9&sid=50&cid=291" target="_blank">homepage</a>. The only restriction is we HAVE TO use the source tag "© EEA, Koppenhága (2009); Készítette a FÖMI a KvVM megbízásából (2009)".<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>> Are the values for CLC:code and CLC:id listed on the wiki?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>CLC:id not listed, it is unique.<br>CLC:code list is located at <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Corine_Land_Cover" target="_blank">this link</a> at the Tagging section.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>2012/11/3 Paul Norman <<a href="mailto:penorman@mac.com" target="_blank">penorman@mac.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Is it possible to use a source key that makes it clear that it’s CLC?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Are the values for CLC:code and CLC:id listed on the wiki?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If CLC:code indicates the landuse type, is there any value to it if it is duplicating the tagging?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Balázs Szalkai [mailto:<a href="mailto:bszalkai0@gmail.com" target="_blank">bszalkai0@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 29, 2012 7:45 AM<br><b>To:</b> Martin Koppenhoefer; <a href="mailto:imports@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">imports@openstreetmap.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Imports] Hungarian CLC import</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Here are the properties of an example multipolygon:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><tag k="CLC:code" v="311"/><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><tag k="CLC:id" v="HU-18010"/><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><tag k="CLC:year" v="2006"/><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><tag k="landuse" v="forest"/><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><tag k="source" v="© EEA, Koppenhága (2009); Készítette a FÖMI a KvVM megbízásából (2009)"/><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><tag k="wood" v="deciduous"/><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><tag k="type" v="multipolygon"/><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>"You will also see that people are adjusting their own work to what is already there (because that's the "standard")"<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Well, I'm not sure. My humble experience shows that there are very thorough mappers who e.g. always add a "source" tag to their additions (even if it is a survey) and try to be as precise as possible, and there are people who flood OpenStreetMap with rivers, places, etc. that are about 70m off from reality; or they make frequent spelling mistakes (I have corrected lots of them). Your standards really do not depend on what other people do and how. But this is just my theory.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>"you will be surprised how fast this situation might change"<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Let's hope the best. A more recent and more detailed Bing would really be awesome. In the past few months I recorded several tracks with my GPS at a poorly photographed area, but that was quite a tedious work compared to finding and tracing them on a satellite imagery.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>"Well, if there are no objections from the mappers in your area"<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>no, there aren't.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br>Imports mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Imports@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Imports@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>