Hi Serge - thanks for the thorough reply - please see notes below:<div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">source tags are not really appropriate for indivdual elements, </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">>> How do you identify when individual elements of the same way or node are derived from different sources?</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">>> Also, what you are saying directly contradicts the information found at the wiki:</span></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px"><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source</a> : "</span></font><span style="line-height:19.19999885559082px;font-size:12.666666984558105px;font-family:sans-serif">It can also be used as a namespace prefix to specify the source of a single attribute.</span><span style="line-height:19.19999885559082px;font-size:12.666666984558105px;font-family:sans-serif"> </span><span style="line-height:19.19999885559082px;font-size:12.666666984558105px;font-family:sans-serif">For example, to attribute a source for a name tag, use</span><b style="line-height:19.19999885559082px;font-size:12.666666984558105px;font-family:sans-serif">source:name=photograph</b><span style="line-height:19.19999885559082px;font-size:12.666666984558105px;font-family:sans-serif">"</span></div>
<div>>>>> I didn't see any discussion or dispute of this approach on the wiki page, so I'm assuming it's ok.</div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">more importantly, the specific</span><br>
</div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">datasets should be referenced, as </span><a href="http://data.seattle.gov/" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px" target="_blank">data.seattle.gov</a><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"> doesn't talk about</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">the version of the data, or even what dataset it is.</span><br></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">>> Good points. We will add these clarifications.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">Where is the source of your transformation scripts?</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">>> From the email above: "</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">some translation instructions Cliff has put together." We will include the specific translation code either at a github page or on the </span><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px"><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Seattle" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Seattle</a> page.</span></font></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">Where are the specific data files you're transforming?</span></div>
<div>>> They are at <a href="http://data.seattle.gov" target="_blank">data.seattle.gov</a> & we will provide links to the sources. We will also consider posting separate snapshots of these source datafiles if we can figure out where to host them.</div>
<div><br><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">How will you handle object conflation?</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">>> Manually and methodically. </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">>> From the email above: "</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">At the meeting, we will discuss concerns about the import, methods of curating the data, how to divide up the work, and how to properly track data created through this import. A cursory review of the data has identified a variety of issues: e.g. non-existent addresses, misplaced addresses, including buildings that no longer exist, etc. So, we are not planning to just do a big bulk dump of information.</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">"</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">>> We are also optimistic that the tools developed in New Zealand will be very helpful. Please see Robert Coup's very constructive email in this thread. We will review these tools and use them, if appropriate for our interests.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">I have many concerns, some of which are discussed above, </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">>> Please identify any un-discussed concerns. I'd like to make sure we've accounted for them all.</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"><br>
</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">but more </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">generally, you seem to not have discussed this with the greater OSM</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">community, including the talk-us list.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">>> I thought that imports@ was the "Greater OSM community."</div>
<div>>> From the email above: "<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">A group of Seattle OSM'ers (led by Cliff Snow) are getting together to discuss the methods for importing and double-checking the information. </span></div>
<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"><a href="http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Seattle/events/93524692/" target="_blank">http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Seattle/events/93524692/</a><br>
</div><div>"</div><div>>> I will forward the prior notice to talk-us@</div><div>>> From this page: <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines#A_checklist">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines#A_checklist</a>, can you advise as to the checklist steps we are not following, or which steps should be added to this checklist?</div>
<div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">Imports are very sensitive and should not be taken without an</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">incredible amount of thought and planning, and a lot of community</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">involvement.</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"><br>
</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">>> These are all good points, which I was hoping to address with my prior email.</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"><br>
</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">Regards,</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">Jeff</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Serge Wroclawski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:emacsen@gmail.com" target="_blank">emacsen@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Jeff Meyer <<a href="mailto:jeff@gwhat.org">jeff@gwhat.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> All -<br>
><br>
> The city of Seattle has recently granted permission to use data found at<br>
> <a href="http://data.seattle.gov" target="_blank">data.seattle.gov</a> in OpenStreetMap.<br>
> <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#City_of_Seattle.2C_Washington" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#City_of_Seattle.2C_Washington</a><br>
><br>
> A group of Seattle OSM'ers (led by Cliff Snow) are getting together to<br>
> discuss the methods for importing and double-checking the information.<br>
> <a href="http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Seattle/events/93524692/" target="_blank">http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Seattle/events/93524692/</a><br>
<br>
<br>
> The current plan is to focus on addresses and building outlines.<br>
> Sources are currently suggested to be tagged as:<br>
> source:addr=<a href="http://data.seattle.gov" target="_blank">data.seattle.gov</a><br>
> source:path=<a href="http://data.seattle.gov" target="_blank">data.seattle.gov</a><br>
> so as to accomodate other sourcing information for those points and ways, as<br>
> appropriate.<br>
<br>
</div>source tags are not really appropriate for indivdual elements, but<br>
should be on the changeset, but more importantly, the specific<br>
datasets should be referenced, as <a href="http://data.seattle.gov" target="_blank">data.seattle.gov</a> doesn't talk about<br>
the version of the data, or even what dataset it is.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> Data has been converted from shape to osm using pnorman's ogr2osm python<br>
> scripts and some translation instructions Cliff has put together.<br>
<br>
</div>Where is the source of your transformation scripts?<br>
Where are the specific data files you're transforming?<br>
How will you handle object conflation?<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> More news to follow. Please advise of any concerns.<br>
<br>
</div>I have many concerns, some of which are discussed above, but more<br>
generally, you seem to not have discussed this with the greater OSM<br>
community, including the talk-us list.<br>
<br>
Imports are very sensitive and should not be taken without an<br>
incredible amount of thought and planning, and a lot of community<br>
involvement.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
- Serge<br>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><font size="1">Jeff Meyer<br>Global World History Atlas<br><a href="http://www.gwhat.org" target="_blank">www.gwhat.org</a><br><a href="mailto:jeff@gwhat.org" target="_blank">jeff@gwhat.org</a><br>
206-676-2347<br></font><br><br>
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