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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>A couple of initial comments: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Has some kind of simplify been run on the data? Although most of the buildings are quite good some of the curved ones are overnoded (e.g. http://took.paulnorman.ca/imports/massgis/noded.png)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If your documentation conflicts with the requirements of the import guidelines (<a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines#Use_a_dedicated_user_account">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines#Use_a_dedicated_user_account</a>) around a dedicated account it may lead to people importing your data getting blocked.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You’ve asked for a check of the reprojection in the data directory but I don’t actually see a data directory anywhere. Could you provide a link?<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Jason Remillard [mailto:remillard.jason@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> talk-us@openstreetmap.org; imports@openstreetmap.org<br><b>Subject:</b> [Talk-us] MassGIS Building Import Start<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hello Everybody,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I would like to kick off the MassGIS building import. This following is copy/paste from the current wiki ( <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS_Buildings_Import" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS_Buildings_Import</a>). The external links will work on the wiki.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>--------------------------<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:14.4pt;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>On Dec, 2012 <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS" target="_blank" title=MassGIS><span style='color:#0B0080'>MassGIS</span></a> released a high quality data layer for all <a href="http://www.mass.gov/anf/research-and-tech/it-serv-and-support/application-serv/office-of-geographic-information-massgis/datalayers/structures.html" target="_blank"><span style='color:#3366BB'>buildings</span></a> in the entire state of MA. Previously <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS" target="_blank" title=MassGIS><span style='color:#0B0080'>MassGIS</span></a> only had buildings for Boston and its nearby suburbs.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:14.4pt;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The plan is as follows.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:1.2pt;line-height:14.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Source Data License<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>All <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS" target="_blank" title=MassGIS><span style='color:#0B0080'>MassGIS</span></a> data is in the public domain. See <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS" target="_blank" title=MassGIS><span style='color:#0B0080'>MassGIS</span></a> page, and talk-us <a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2012-December/thread.html" target="_blank"><span style='color:#3366BB'>archives</span></a> for detailed discussion. A previous (incomplete) version of this data that covers the Boston area has already been imported.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From the MA Secretary of state Office <a href="http://www.sec.state.ma.us/pre/prepdf/guide.pdf" target="_blank"><span style='color:#3366BB'>Frequently Asked Questions</span></a>, first question is<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>What records are public?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Every document, paper, record, <b>map</b>, photograph, etc., as defined by law, that is made or received by a government entity or employee is presumed to be a public record<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From the MA Secretary of state <a href="http://www.sec.state.ma.us/arc/arcres/residx.htm" target="_blank"><span style='color:#3366BB'>Duplication Services</span></a>, last section.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Records created by Massachusetts government are not copyrighted and are available for public use. Copyright for materials submitted to state agencies may be held by the person or organization that created the document. Patrons are responsible for clearing copyright on such materials. For more information on copyright law, please see the U.S. Copyright Office's web page at <a href="http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright" target="_blank">lcweb.loc.gov/copyright</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:2.0in;line-height:14.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Scripts<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>A script was written to convert MassGIS shp files to OSM file. Each town has its own zip. Inside of the zip is two OSM files. The first file has all of the buildings, the second file has only the buildings missing from OSM. This has been completed, data is <a href="https://docs.google.com/a/twincoastmetrology.com/folder/d/0B6HixOxli_6ldGVkREtxdk5lWGM/edit" target="_blank"><span style='color:#3366BB'>here</span></a>. jremillard will update these files. The scripts used for the shape to OSM conversion are also at the same link as the data.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:168.0pt;line-height:14.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Status Tracking<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>A google docs <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ar0iC0thXzOjdFc4c3diOGZiNlNtX2ZoOVNacTE3R3c" target="_blank"><span style='color:#3366BB'>spreadsheet</span></a> will be used to track progress on each town. People helping with the import will be able to claim a town, mark as town as already building complete, or mark it as "skip" for the final automated import because of data problems.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:192.0pt;line-height:14.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Who Is Doing This<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>So far OSM users ingalls and jremillard are working on the import. We will work on getting as much help as possible.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:3.0in;line-height:14.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Getting Help<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Use the MA osm database extract to get a list of users that have added 10 or more buildings in 2012. We will contact these users and ask if could help with the import. Not completed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:240.0pt;line-height:14.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Manual Imports - Step 1<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>It is expected that users doing the town by town import will use their <b>normal osm accounts</b>. The <a href="https://docs.google.com/a/twincoastmetrology.com/folder/d/0B6HixOxli_6ldGVkREtxdk5lWGM/edit" target="_blank"><span style='color:#3366BB'>data</span></a> will be download into JOSM, visually inspected, fixing any problems, then uploaded.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:264.0pt;line-height:14.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Schema<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The OSM files that are in the ZIP file will only be tagged with building=yes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The MassGIS building STRUCT_ID will not be included. First, MassGIS made no attempt at preserving the STRUCT_ID when they updated the data set to include the entire state. The MassGIS STRUCT_ID, is based on X,Y centroid, when they updated the building locations, all of the ids changed. Second, No actual scenario came up in the discussion on why somebody might want to link the OSM structure back to the MassGIS data. In fact, nobody could come up with a case where previous imports that did include the original id turned out to be useful to somebody. Thirdly, if somebody really, really does need to link the OSM building to the MassGIS source layer, they can always link them them based on the building centriods of the two sets, and to get even more precision, rolling the change sets back to the import time and doing a more exact match will always be possible. Basically, the STRUCT_ID is redundant with the actual building geometry. Lastly, including the STRUCT_ID is not free. It will be confusing to future mappers. What to do with the STRUCT_ID, when a building is moved, deleted, or copied/ pasted? The wiki will not have this tag documented, it will not be clear what it is for. If even one fix is not made because of confusion over the STRUCT_ID tag, we will have lowered the final quality of the map for no apparent benefit.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:312.0pt;line-height:14.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Credit<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Credit to MassGIS will be included in all changeset comments. It will read as follows <b>Building Structures (2-D, from 2011-2012 Ortho Imagery) - Office of Geographic Information (MassGIS), Commonwealth of Massachusetts, Information Technology Division</b>. No source tag will be used on the buildings themselves. See <a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2012-December/thread.html" target="_blank"><span style='color:#3366BB'>talk-us</span></a> archive for a discussion. By including the credit in the change comment, it does not need to be managed by future mappers who will be correcting/improving on the data. For the people that want to know where specific data came from, the change history on the way will have all the needed information.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:336.0pt;line-height:14.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Automated Import - Step 2 - Project Completion<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sometime after May 2013, the towns that have not been imported by hand or marked as "skip" will be imported directly by an automated script. This automated script will done under its own account. This script has not been written yet.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:5.0in;line-height:14.4pt;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:5.0in;line-height:14.4pt;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The import has been added to the catalog page. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:5.0in;line-height:14.4pt;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:5.0in;line-height:14.4pt;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Omitting of the source tag, and massgis::id tag have already been discussed in talk-us. People where going both ways, but I would like to skip them at outlined above. However, we need help more than we need to get our way! If you feel strongly about the id and source tag, sign up to import a bunch of towns by hand and we can be made to change coarse.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:5.0in;line-height:14.4pt;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:5.0in;line-height:14.4pt;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The user account has not been discussed yet. I am hoping to get some guidance. We are planning on using our own accounts on the "hand" imports. The automated import at the end of the project will get its own account, which I think is intention of the import guidlines wiki. If this is not acceptable, and we in fact do need our own account for each hand imported town, I will make a new OSM account, and give out its password out to everybody that asks for it to do the import. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:5.0in;line-height:14.4pt;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:5.0in;line-height:14.4pt;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The last area I would like some help on. Could somebody look at the script in the data directory and verify that the MassGIS datum was correctly converted to the OSM datum. The output data is well aligned visually, but I have been warned in a private email that messing this up will results in < 1 meter error, which may not be apparent with a visual inspection.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:5.0in;line-height:14.4pt;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thats it!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:5.0in;line-height:14.4pt;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Jason<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:5.0in;line-height:14.4pt;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:5.0in;line-height:14.4pt;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:5.0in;line-height:14.4pt;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>