<div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>Sorry to jump so late into this discussion.</div><div>Actually I am waiting for an answer from the imports list since Mid May. I put it below.</div><div style>So we would like to know if in the case of using a ODbL compatible dataset as a guide for tracing over Bing Imagery (because of the lack of geometrical accuracy) + get some attributes (road names or ID, etc.) is considered as coming under the usual import pattern (including a specific import user account) or not.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>Sincerely,</div><div style><br></div><div style>Severin</div><div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:54:08 -0300</span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> From: S?verin MENARD <</span><a href="mailto:severin.menard@hotosm.org" target="_blank" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">severin.menard@hotosm.org</a><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">></span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> To: Paul Norman <</span><a href="mailto:penorman@mac.com" target="_blank" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">penorman@mac.com</a><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">></span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> Cc: </span><a href="mailto:imports@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span class="" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,204);color:rgb(34,34,34)">imports@openstreetmap.org</span></a><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
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<span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> Central African Republic</span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> Message-ID:</span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
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<span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">></span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> Hi Paul,</span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">></span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> Thank you very much for your answer. My comments inline</span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">></span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> ></span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> > The WRI data is more complicated, and you might want to consider doing</span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> the</span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> > UNICEF import before it.</span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> ></span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> Definitely. The data is generally too inaccurate to be imported (eg</span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> 300-1000m for the roads from the reality provided by the high res Bing</span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> imagery), but can be used as a guide for tracing</span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">></span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Actually we would like to be sure if only used as a guide with sometimes</span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">some attributes (eg name) copy and paste on the freshly-new-traced vector</span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">data from Bing imager, it is not considered as an import.</span><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 13:58:14 +0200<br>
From: Simeon <<a href="mailto:simeon-online@gmx.de">simeon-online@gmx.de</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org">hot@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [HOT] Central african republic import<br>
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Hi,<br>
<br>
First: Thanks for your quick and elaborate response.<br>
Contrary to what I wrote before, the road I meant didnt disappear, it was downgraded to a path and<br>
the rest left as a secondary. But this still explaines one of the problems with imports:<br>
<br>
You can do them automatically (using a separate account as it falls under the mechanical edit policy<br>
<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edit_Policy" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edit_Policy</a> - at least thats how I understood it),<br>
but what do you do with the roads/rivers/places that are already there?<br>
Especially if, like in this case, the data to be imported is from 2009 (at leastthats what the<br>
source tag says) and the Bing pictures are from 2003 (according to the bing aerial image analyzer).<br>
Many helpers like myself have used those images to trace various things and will continue to do so;<br>
so there could be discrepancies.<br>
<br>
Can we limit this task to "well-seasoned mappers". Or do we have enough people willing and able to<br>
get the job done using some kind of private task manager not open to the general public?<br>
<br>
Whatever may happen, I am suer we can all agree that we should take all the data, help and people to<br>
help we can get.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Simeon<br>
Am 13.06.2013 13:26, schrieb Ben Abelshausen:<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> This import was started as part of the EUROSHA project for the Central African Republic and after<br>
> the rebellion. The data being imported is served with the task, a new feature for the tasking<br>
> manager that we developed while in Cameroon. The data of the WRI can be served with the task as a<br>
> mapping aid.<br>
><br>
> This is for now, an experiment but is meant to be executed I guess. I'm sure that Severin Menard,<br>
> the lead for HOT on this project, can also tell you something more about this.<br>
><br>
> As far as I know there is some confusion about this task, a few of the blocking issues:<br>
><br>
> - Do we need to use a seperate import account? (the import list is not very responsive)<br>
> - Is the WRI data suited for this? Maybe partly using the data is something we can do.<br>
> - This task is meant for well-seasoned mappers, is this something we can expect?<br>
><br>
> This is my view on this little project and it's a bit sad to have all this data for a mostly<br>
> completely unmapped and from a humanitarian perspective very difficult country and not use it. I<br>
> think we should take every chance we get to improve the map for the CAR.<br>
><br>
> If you have some suggestions on this, your thoughts are very very welcome on how to do this better.<br>
><br>
> Met vriendelijke groeten,<br>
> Best regards,<br>
><br>
> Ben Abelshausen<br>
> <a href="mailto:ben.abelshausen@gmail.com">ben.abelshausen@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ben.abelshausen@gmail.com">ben.abelshausen@gmail.com</a>><br>
> <a href="http://twitter.com/xivk" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/xivk</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Simeon <<a href="mailto:simeon-online@gmx.de">simeon-online@gmx.de</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:simeon-online@gmx.de">simeon-online@gmx.de</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi all,<br>
><br>
> Does anyone know if the WRI import already started?<br>
> There is a wiki page:<br>
> <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_CAR_WRI_Data" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_CAR_WRI_Data</a><br>
> and a task:<br>
> <a href="http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/219" target="_blank">http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/219</a>.<br>
> Although the task says that its only a test, someone started to import roads around N'Dele:<br>
> <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=8.39936&lon=20.69708&zoom=15&layers=M" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=8.39936&lon=20.69708&zoom=15&layers=M</a><br>
> The track there appears on my tiles as a teriary road, but in the dataset there is nothing<br>
> left but a new track with access=no. For me thats a strange combination, but the wiki pages<br>
> says so.<br>
> >From tha satelite image, this road is bigger than a track and comtinues further than the import.<br>
><br>
> I dont want to step on anyones toes, its just that I am confused why some roads disappeared<br>
> and that I havent heard anything about this import.<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
><br>
> Theodin<br><br>
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