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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hello Jason,<br>
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first of all, the SIRI Standard [0] is a standard which describes
the real-time data exchange. I don't think, that SIRI provides
routes too.<br>
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If you read about SIRI, it's a kind of "data to be elaborated",
for example for the digital advisers in train stations etc. Often
you have some clients, which overlay the maps with this
information (SIRI can provide not only vehicle related
information, information about facilities or other pt-related
things too).<br>
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Even in our travelplanner (which is from HaCon and is the same as
the DB or SBB or OEBB were using) uses other id's to identify the
bus-stops.<br>
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So I think that the SASA-ref id's are not usefull to be imported
into osm.<br>
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I hope out there are much more questions about the public
transport, because I think that the public transport is the
future, otherwise, where is the space for so much cars in the
cities? ;-)<br>
<br>
HTH<br>
~markus<br>
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Markus Windegger<br>
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Am 29.09.2013 20:42, schrieb Jason Remillard:<br>
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<pre wrap="">Hi Markus,
Thanks for jumping into this!
Just one question. The SIRI spec is very large and complicated! I am
not sure if you will know.
So far we have decided to not import the SASA reference number for
each stop, generally these ID's are not really useful in OSM. However,
I just wanted to verify the SASA reference will not be needed to
overlay SIRI routes on top of imported bus stations in OSM. We expect
that the bus lat/lon will end up being changed/refined in OSM over
time, versus the upstream source data. Since we are not importing
routes, we don't want to make it impossible for downstream users of
OSM to integrate with SIRI route information.
Hopefully this is my last dumb question about bus stops....
Thanks
Jason.
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Markus Windegger <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:windegger@sasabz.it"><windegger@sasabz.it></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Hello there,
I'm Markus Windegger, I'm the maintainer of the data on opensasa.info (it
was open.sasabz.it).
I can confirm that we have donated the bus stop data as a data donation to
osm.
First of all some comments about public transport data:
- bus stops are not as dynamic as you thought. Most of the europe countries
have strict regulations about bus stops (and train-stops and metro-stops
too). So the companies don't chenge them, as it is a very burocratic work.
- bus routes are very flexible (they change more often than bus stops) and
they were a little bit complexer than you think. Bus routes consist of a
general line-number and description, which is a general route, not even with
coordinates. There exists many variations of a bus line, depending of the
time, of days and sometime depending of seasons or months. So a line can
have more than one instance on the osm-map.
- most of the european pt-companies (I don't know anything about the
american, asian or african ones) in the last years have adapted programs,
which are using the standard model of pt - data, which was developed by an
association named vdv [0]. In this data model it is possible to transfer a
full dataset of the hole bus-schedules from one system to another. And this
for planned data (vdv 452) and data like the schedules for the workers and
for the busses.
- this datamodel in europe is becomming an european standard for the
realtime data exchange, called SIRI. Gtfs is not used so much, because most
of the companies need to transfer the data, and this is an additional work.
Additional work is in most companies not possible (because they don't have
computer engineers that understand the difference or whatever...).
I hope you understand most of this (my english isn't very good). If you have
more questions about the public transport, please ask. I'll help you as much
as I can.
~markus
P.s. I'm not the person to discute the licence. The licence was decided from
the ceo, and I do my best to change the licence in a cc0 in the future...:-)
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SASAbus data: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.opensasa.info">www.opensasa.info</a>
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Martin Raifer <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tyr.asd@gmail.com"><tyr.asd@gmail.com></a> schrieb:
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<pre wrap="">As far as I can see they do not support GTFS. But I'll ask.
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Turns out GTFS really isn't supported.
Martin
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