<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">2014-02-04 Frederik Ramm </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><<a href="mailto:frederik@remote.org" target="_blank">frederik@remote.org</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">:</span><div class="im" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">As you probably know, OSM doesn't value data over community. Where<br>
imports are concerned, we usually look at whether there's a local<br>community to "digest" the data that has been imported, to fix it where<br>it's wrong, to update it in the future.<br></blockquote></div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>I think a strong community is extremely beneficial to OSM. The attendants of the workshop 'Road map to the future' at SOTM Birmingham wrote down their following, diverse, dreams for OSM in 2020: </div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><p style="margin:0.4em 0px 0.5em;line-height:19.200000762939453px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px">1. People: end-user</p><ul style="line-height:19.200000762939453px;margin:0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em;padding:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Useful car navigation in all first world countries</li><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Be embraced by the open source software community</li><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Have a business model that supports the OSM ecosystem and at the same time provides a good end-userexperience</li>
<li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Ease of use (data). My gran can create a map in 10 minutes</li><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">An easy and 'default' place for people to find options to a specific need</li><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">
For the general public to understand the possibility of different map styles (and power it gives)</li><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">User selectable rendering</li><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">It should be open gl</li>
<li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">To be able to select features much more dynamically than today. That the map can be a street map, orienteering map, cycle map or powerline map without having a specialized project making tiles for it</li>
<li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">That people or organizations have the tools to make the maps they need using OSM</li><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Enthusiastic embrace of multiple projections and warps. Warps to match OSM with historic maps that you don't want to distort, or diagrammatic distortions eg one-dimensional maps.</li>
</ul><p style="margin:0.4em 0px 0.5em;line-height:19.200000762939453px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>2. People: community</p><ul style="line-height:19.200000762939453px;margin:0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em;padding:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">SOTM's everywhere</li><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Local chapter growth</li><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Community specific groups</li><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Not a single map on <a href="http://osm.org">osm.org</a> (sign-up should make clear that OSM is much more than a single map like Gmaps)</li>
<li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Put a map of meetings on the frontpage, including conferences, SOTM, HOT, pub meetings.</li></ul><p style="margin:0.4em 0px 0.5em;line-height:19.200000762939453px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br>3. Technique: editing/tools/quality</p><ul style="line-height:19.200000762939453px;margin:0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em;padding:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px"><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Focus on routing particularly during editing. Height, weight, turn restrictions (+ view)</li>
<li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Ease of use (editing). Mobile: place + label within 2 minutes. All maps have an 'edit me' buttonk</li><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Easy for non-techies to add data</li><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">
High quality data</li><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Automatic collection of data from non-technical peoples devices to enhance quality (people not interested to be mappers)</li><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Consistent tagging format or rules (described)</li>
<li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">No federated tagging / worldwide consistency / no federational mappers</li><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Polygons on as polygons. Treat them as their own type</li><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">
Customized tools for interest groups (hike, tree, walking)</li><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Ability to move on from poor initial tagging conventions</li><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Niche/long tail mappers/users: a. Custom map display showing a1. Task based custom editor a2. Stored in global OSM DB (problems)</li>
</ul><p style="margin:0.4em 0px 0.5em;line-height:19.200000762939453px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>4. Competitive advantage</p><ul style="line-height:19.200000762939453px;margin:0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em;padding:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">OSM should be the default map everywhere</li><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">OSM gps units</li><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">All imagery should come directly from DigitalGlobe in the highest quality and accuracy and cut out the "middle men" aka Micro$oft, Google, Govt etc.</li>
</ul><div><font color="#000000" face="sans-serif"><span style="line-height:19.200000762939453px"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#000000" face="sans-serif"><span style="line-height:19.200000762939453px">What is the right way to get to Rome (that is in my opinion: lots of end-users and a big 'alive and kicking' community in each country)? </span></font><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19.200000762939453px">I would prefer to have thousands of people per country helping to improve OSM. Preferrably by ground truth editing.</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19.200000762939453px"> But in ten years of OSM no country has created a community large enough to create a reliable database of addresses (and POI's) by ground-truth editing. Is going on with addresses like in the past ten years the best and only approach to travel to Rome?</span><br>
</div><div><br></div><div>I think OSM should take open data as a chance. And use as many local community members as possible to import this data. But just having lots of data in a database is not enough to get to Rome. <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19.200000762939453px">Maybe Steve Coast will hit the right chord and figures out a faster way to get to Rome with the combi Telenav/Skobbler, and hopefully builds an easy-to-use app which encourages end-users to improve the OSM database by ground truth editing...</span></div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Cheers, Johan</div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div></div></div>