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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">W dniu 05-02-2014 10:01, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:toto1@wp.pl">toto1@wp.pl</a>
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<span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span title="Jeśli
obawiasz się, że zbyt duża ilość danych spowoduje, że
mapa nie będzie aktualna, to powstaje pytanie po co w
ogóle rysować, skoro i tak każda kreska nie będzie
aktualna.">If you are concerned that too much data will
cause the map will be not valid, then the question -
why draw at all , and if so , each line will not be
valid. </span><span title="Np. miasto Wrocław w Polsce
w 2014 roku to nie to samo miasto co w roku 2012.">For
example, the city of Wroclaw in Poland in 2014 is not
the same city as in 2012 . </span><span
title="Podążając za Twoją argumentacją, lepiej usuńmy z
bazy wszystkie obrysy budynków - bo i tak ktoś je za rok
lub więcej zburzy, usuńmy wszystkie punkty adresowe, po
po co...">Following your reasoning , you'd better let's
remove from the database all strokes buildings - and so
anyone because it 's a year or more tear down , let's
remove all address points , after what ... </span><span
title="usuńmy informacje o lokalach gastronomicznych -
bo za chwilę już może ich nie będzie Pozostawmy mapę z
kilkoma głównymi drogami, i będzie dobrze.">let's remove
information about catering and pubs.... - because for a
moment longer can they will not let us leave the map
with several major roads , and will be fine. </span><span
title="A jaki będzie efekt - google będzie wciąż wiodącą
mapą i już.">And what will be the effect - Google is
still the leading map and longer . </span><span
title="Jeśli chcesz konstruktywnie porozmawiać na temat
importów i edytowaniu zapraszam na Polskie forum osm
spokojnie w języku angielskim możemy porozmawiać na ten
temat. ">If you want to constructively talk about
imports and editing invite forum on the Polish OSM.In
English we can talk about this.<br>
</span><span title="Polska społeczność się rozwija, a
takie stanowisko jakie przedstawiłeś, zatrzymuje rozwój
- porozmawiaj z ludzmi młodymi poznaj ich stanowisko i
zweryfikuj swoją argumentację. ">Polish community is
growing and this position what you present , stops the
development - talk with people young learn their
position and verify your arguments .<br>
</span><span title="Wiem jedno, że im więcej osób i
poglądów które chcą regulować coś im więcej przepisów
tym rozwój mniejszy.">All I know is that the more people
and ideas who want to regulate something , the more
rules including - what is the effect - the smaller
development. </span><span title="A idąc dalej można
zadać pytanie - po co w ogóle mapować skoro są mapy
nokii google....">And going further , I can ask - what
for making a new map if now we can use nokia or google
maps???? </span><span title="Po co osm skoro i tak
obecne dane nie będą aktualne????">What for if for a
moment all our wirk will be not valid? </span><span
title="Nie wiem jak Ty pracujesz z mapą, ale każdy
odpowiedzialny maper rozpoczynając edycję, zawsze
weryfikuje czy dane zgodne są z rzeczywistością i je
koryguje.">I do not know how you work with the map , but
each responsible mapper when editing , always verify
whether the data are consistent with reality and
corrects them . </span><span title="Zapraszam jeszcze
raz na Polskie forum - tam poznasz na pewno nasze
stanowisko - nie tylko moje.">I invite you once again to
the Polish forum - there certainly know our position -
not just mine.<br>
You are from domain <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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href="http://www.nutiteq.com/">http://www.nutiteq.com/</a>.
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Jarosław Stefaniak<br>
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W dniu 05-02-2014 08:49, Jaak Laineste (Nutiteq) pisze:<br>
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<pre wrap="">Here are some specific points I need to challenge
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<pre wrap=""> If the main idea is to have OSM data reflect reality - a lack of imports (of course, well- made ) deviates from this idea.
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<pre wrap="">No, this is not the main idea of OSM. More important than to reflect reality is to have living every day up-to-date map, created by community. Too much detailed data from imports works unfortunately against this. You will have data what the community cannot keep up-to-date, this will be more and more outdated, and after few years the data is so bad that noone can use it and it is not possible to update it.
It is better to have less, but community-maintainable data.
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<pre wrap="">For example, the town of 50,000 inhabitants - making the address points one by one would take years for sure and maybe more . If the process can be accelerated by increasing the value of the database , what for waiting?
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<pre wrap="">You may see quality increase in day one, but after couple of years you'll notice that the data is outdated, and your active importers are not able to keep up with real life changes. You need community in each town what you import.
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<pre wrap=""> I support imports , which makes Zbigniew - they are made for the good of our community.
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<pre wrap="">It is good for map, but it is not always clear that it is good also for community in the long term. Bad thing is that you will only notice impact to the community after few months time. You will see if there will be more editors or not. It may also be true that better map bring many new community members, who considered OSM too raw beforehand. Has anyone done any study for this? If not, I can try to do some studies based on my country, which has both full city imports and nation-wide thematic imports, and recent address data import. Many of them done (sometimes foolishly) by myself.
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<pre wrap="">Personally I use now only navigation based on OSM data (as OsmAnd) No address data often means that I need to use commercial navigation. But are you sure of what we want? Is it a good way? If I spend my time (for free, no money) to create maps I want to use navigationfor free.
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<pre wrap="">If this is your main problem, then you are handling it in wrong way. The root problem of OsmAnd (I know they are not alone in this) is optimistic assumption that OSM is already good enough for universal address search. It is not. And it will take some more years to get it good enough. Right way to fix it is to get community to every town. So far they could and should create separate address database from various free sources, including not only OSM community data, but also municipal open data from Polish and other authorities. Geonames.org could be good candidate. Yes, it is a lot of work, but actually less than using OSM as repo for database merges; this is for sure what OSM is not about.
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<span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span title="Jeśli
obawiasz się, że zbyt duża ilość danych spowoduje, że mapa nie
będzie aktualna, to powstaje pytanie po co w ogóle rysować,
skoro i tak każda kreska nie będzie aktualna.">If you are
concerned that too much data will cause the map will be not
valid, then the question - why draw at all , and if so , each
line will not be valid. </span><span title="Np. miasto
Wrocław w Polsce w 2014 roku to nie to samo miasto co w roku
2012.">For example, the city of Wroclaw in Poland in 2014 is
not the same city as in 2012 . </span><span title="Podążając
za Twoją argumentacją, lepiej usuńmy z bazy wszystkie obrysy
budynków - bo i tak ktoś je za rok lub więcej zburzy, usuńmy
wszystkie punkty adresowe, po po co...">Following your
reasoning , you'd better let's remove from the database all
strokes buildings - and so anyone because it 's a year or more
tear down , let's remove all address points , after what ... </span><span
title="usuńmy informacje o lokalach gastronomicznych - bo za
chwilę już może ich nie będzie Pozostawmy mapę z kilkoma
głównymi drogami, i będzie dobrze.">let's remove information
about catering and pubs.... - because for a moment longer can
they will not let us leave the map with several major roads ,
and will be fine. </span><span title="A jaki będzie efekt -
google będzie wciąż wiodącą mapą i już.">And what will be the
effect - Google is still the leading map and longer . </span><span
title="Jeśli chcesz konstruktywnie porozmawiać na temat
importów i edytowaniu zapraszam na Polskie forum osm spokojnie
w języku angielskim możemy porozmawiać na ten temat. ">If you
want to constructively talk about imports and editing invite
forum on the Polish OSM.In English we can talk about this.<br>
</span><span title="Polska społeczność się rozwija, a takie
stanowisko jakie przedstawiłeś, zatrzymuje rozwój -
porozmawiaj z ludzmi młodymi poznaj ich stanowisko i
zweryfikuj swoją argumentację. ">Polish community is growing
and this position what you present , stops the development -
talk with people young learn their position and verify your
arguments .<br>
</span><span title="Wiem jedno, że im więcej osób i poglądów
które chcą regulować coś im więcej przepisów tym rozwój
mniejszy.">All I know is that the more people and ideas who
want to regulate something , the more rules including - what
is the effect - the smaller development. </span><span
title="A idąc dalej można zadać pytanie - po co w ogóle
mapować skoro są mapy nokii google....">And going further , I
can ask - what for making a new map if now we can use nokia or
google maps???? </span><span title="Po co osm skoro i tak
obecne dane nie będą aktualne????">What for if for a moment
all our wirk will be not valid? </span><span title="Nie wiem
jak Ty pracujesz z mapą, ale każdy odpowiedzialny maper
rozpoczynając edycję, zawsze weryfikuje czy dane zgodne są z
rzeczywistością i je koryguje.">I do not know how you work
with the map , but each responsible mapper when editing ,
always verify whether the data are consistent with reality and
corrects them . </span><span title="Zapraszam jeszcze raz na
Polskie forum - tam poznasz na pewno nasze stanowisko - nie
tylko moje.">I invite you once again to the Polish forum -
there certainly know our position - not just mine.<br>
You are from domain <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.nutiteq.com/">http://www.nutiteq.com/</a>.
Really Your company want to have not detailed map?<br>
<br>
Jarosław Stefaniak</span></span> </blockquote>
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