<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Ian Dees <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ian.dees@gmail.com" target="_blank">ian.dees@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="">On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 1:47 AM, Katie Filbert <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:filbertk@gmail.com" target="_blank">filbertk@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="">On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 4:04 AM, Alex Barth <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alex@mapbox.com" target="_blank">alex@mapbox.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">- Make sure expectations of all involved are clear. This is something I could have done a better job of. For instance, that we at Mapbox were going to engage very directly in the upload process wasn't fully clear for everyone. At the same time I think it was important for us to initiate this import having the human resources to finish it up. There are already too many imports that aren't finished. <br>
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<div>- An import is actually not all that conducive to be a community building project, especially not a large one. Imports are technically complex, require experience with OpenStreetMap and commitment by those involved. Community involvement is absolutely clutch, at the same time doing an entire import is grinding work so people will loose interest over time.</div>
<div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Not convinced that the community can't handle the task. Task manager is ideal to split up the work and is motivating.</div><div><div><br></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><div><div></div><div>At this point the NYC import is almost done in terms of data added. We are now doing additional rounds of validation. As always it is open for participation: <a href="http://tasks.openstreetmap.us/job/2" target="_blank">http://tasks.openstreetmap.us/job/2</a></div>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>it's quite discouraging to get involved when paid mappers are involved, imho</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>i'd like to point out that involving community in the import is *not* a great way to build community. As we saw with the NYC (and I saw with the Chicago), new (and even experienced) mappers are put off by the tedious work behind a "community import". What's more, if they happen to do something wrong the first interaction they get from the greater OSM community is probably a nasty note from the DWG telling them to stop mapping or be banned.</div>
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<div><br></div><div>No, the most effective approach I've seen is to have as few people run the actual import process as possible (it was just me in Chicago) </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>OK if it's a few volunteer community people :)</div>
<div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Katie</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">
<div>and then get the community excited about the resulting data as it pops up around them. Run events that fill in the address and POI, correct the existing POI if there are any, fill in roads that are missing, etc. The on-the-ground mapping work that is now made vastly easier because there are more data to use as reference is what makes the community excited and interested in OSM.</div>
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<div><br></div><div>-Ian</div></font></span></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Katie Filbert<br><a href="mailto:filbertk@gmail.com" target="_blank">filbertk@gmail.com</a><br>@filbertkm / @wikimediadc / @wikidata
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