<div dir="ltr"><div>From the Mapbox team, I myself and my colleague Aaron have been in touch with David Jackson from DC/OCTO who's leading the import to help him work through setting up tools, so has Mikel who is not affiliated with Mapbox. Brian DeRocher and Steven Johnson (also not affiliated with Mapbox) have offered to provide training. That we're all supporting the project is noted on the wiki. Much of the overlap in the documentation and in the code used from osmlab/dcbuildings is based on the fact that I had attempted earlier to restart the DC building import (with help from some none Mapbox people like Travis Pinney [1]). I'm happy David's picking up my slack now :-)</div>
<div><br></div><div>What's exciting about this project is that DC government is engaging first hand. Young people will learn about OpenStreetMap hands on, and they'll even get some cash for it - and this is all part of working for their city! That's awesome and I'll continue to support that. Mapbox isn't planning right now to do any of the upload or map review work.<br>
</div><div><br></div><div>The 'no money will exchange hands' line was in my mind referring to the fact that none of the individuals mentioned here are being paid by OCTO. I think we should just remove this line and say more specifically who's going to work on the project - which is the DC OCTO team around David.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Alex</div><div><br></div><div>[1] <a href="https://github.com/osmlab/dcbuildings/commits/master">https://github.com/osmlab/dcbuildings/commits/master</a><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Frederik Ramm <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:frederik@remote.org" target="_blank">frederik@remote.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi,<br>
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On 07/14/2014 08:56 PM, Paul Norman wrote:<br>
> - Paid staff<br>
> The question was raised on if paid staff would be used for this. The<br>
> wiki says no money is being exchanged for work - does this mean that all<br>
> work will be done by volunteers?<br>
<br>
</div>Let's not beat around the bush here.<br>
<br>
Mapbox employees/contractors have clearly been involved in setting this up.<br>
<br>
For me, speaking in a personal capacity here, this is totally all right<br>
if they've done this because they live in Washington and are stoked<br>
about enriching their local map for which they as Washingtonians feel<br>
partly responsible. And if Mapbox lets them do it while they're at the<br>
office - more power to them!<br>
<br>
If however there are people who wouldn't dream about participating in a<br>
Washington building import, and who perhaps aren't even local, maybe<br>
part of some "Mapbox data team" in another state or even another<br>
country, who haven't mapped in Washington before, who will only do so<br>
because they are instructed by their employer, and who will stopp<br>
immediately once their employer considers the project finished or the<br>
employment ends, then that's something I would cast a slightly more<br>
critical look at, *especially* if I had the impression that I was kept<br>
in the dark about this.<br>
<br>
Now I do have a slight issue with "no money is exchanged for work"<br>
because it doesn't *clearly* rule out what I said in the previous<br>
paragraph - with the history of half-truths that have surrounded such<br>
cases in the past, someone could later say "uh well I just said that<br>
OCTO was not paying anything, I didn't say that Mapbox was not paying<br>
anything". Or someone could say "uh well I just said that there was no<br>
money exchanged, I didn't say anything about stock options". Or someone<br>
could say "uh well I meant that no *extra* money was being paid, of<br>
course these people were in the data team anyway and adding data was<br>
their standard work description", or whatnot.<br>
<br>
Personally, I would feel much better if we could simply have a statement<br>
that says: "Insofar as Mapbox employees or contractors participate in<br>
this import, they will only do so in their spare time and without<br>
receiving any compensation." or so.<br>
<br>
I'm singling out Mapbox here because the first wiki page about this<br>
whole thing was done by a Mapbox employee; if other employers are also<br>
involved, of course this would apply to the just the same.<br>
<br>
If the above assurance cannot be given then I would like to learn how<br>
that squares with the "no compensation" sentence on the wiki so that I<br>
can better interpret such words in the future.<br>
<br>
In addition, I would like to suggest for this import and also for all<br>
future imports, that we set an upper limit of just how much one single<br>
mapper can import per day. We simply take an experienced mapper and let<br>
them import a couple of buildings with the required diligence, and<br>
measure how long it takes. Then we estimate how much they could do in 12<br>
hours with the same diligence - and that's how much we allow one person<br>
to import per day.<br>
<br>
Because otherwise we run the risk of having people throwing all<br>
diligence over board and trying to "get it over with" by importing tens<br>
of thousands of objects per day with zero chance of actually doing it well.<br>
<br>
Bye<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">Frederik<br>
<br>
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