<div dir="ltr">Serge,<div><br></div><div>What I meant when I stated '<del class="" style="font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none;border-top-left-radius:0.33em;border-top-right-radius:0.33em;border-bottom-right-radius:0.33em;border-bottom-left-radius:0.33em;padding:0.25em 0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:19.200000762939453px;white-space:pre-wrap;background:rgb(254,238,200)">[</del><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:19.200000762939453px;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><del class="" style="font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none;border-top-left-radius:0.33em;border-top-right-radius:0.33em;border-bottom-right-radius:0.33em;border-bottom-left-radius:0.33em;padding:0.25em 0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:19.200000762939453px;white-space:pre-wrap;background:rgb(254,238,200)">There</del><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:19.200000762939453px;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><del class="" style="font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none;border-top-left-radius:0.33em;border-top-right-radius:0.33em;border-bottom-right-radius:0.33em;border-bottom-left-radius:0.33em;padding:0.25em 0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:19.200000762939453px;white-space:pre-wrap;background:rgb(254,238,200)">is</del><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:19.200000762939453px;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><del class="" style="font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none;border-top-left-radius:0.33em;border-top-right-radius:0.33em;border-bottom-right-radius:0.33em;border-bottom-left-radius:0.33em;padding:0.25em 0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:19.200000762939453px;white-space:pre-wrap;background:rgb(254,238,200)">no</del><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:19.200000762939453px;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><del class="" style="font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none;border-top-left-radius:0.33em;border-top-right-radius:0.33em;border-bottom-right-radius:0.33em;border-bottom-left-radius:0.33em;padding:0.25em 0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:19.200000762939453px;white-space:pre-wrap;background:rgb(254,238,200)">money</del><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:19.200000762939453px;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><del class="" style="font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none;border-top-left-radius:0.33em;border-top-right-radius:0.33em;border-bottom-right-radius:0.33em;border-bottom-left-radius:0.33em;padding:0.25em 0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:19.200000762939453px;white-space:pre-wrap;background:rgb(254,238,200)">being</del><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:19.200000762939453px;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><del class="" style="font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none;border-top-left-radius:0.33em;border-top-right-radius:0.33em;border-bottom-right-radius:0.33em;border-bottom-left-radius:0.33em;padding:0.25em 0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:19.200000762939453px;white-space:pre-wrap;background:rgb(254,238,200)">exchanged</del><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:19.200000762939453px;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><del class="" style="font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none;border-top-left-radius:0.33em;border-top-right-radius:0.33em;border-bottom-right-radius:0.33em;border-bottom-left-radius:0.33em;padding:0.25em 0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:19.200000762939453px;white-space:pre-wrap;background:rgb(254,238,200)">for</del><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:19.200000762939453px;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><del class="" style="font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none;border-top-left-radius:0.33em;border-top-right-radius:0.33em;border-bottom-right-radius:0.33em;border-bottom-left-radius:0.33em;padding:0.25em 0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:19.200000762939453px;white-space:pre-wrap;background:rgb(254,238,200)">work</del><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:19.200000762939453px;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><del class="" style="font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none;border-top-left-radius:0.33em;border-top-right-radius:0.33em;border-bottom-right-radius:0.33em;border-bottom-left-radius:0.33em;padding:0.25em 0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:19.200000762939453px;white-space:pre-wrap;background:rgb(254,238,200)">on</del><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:19.200000762939453px;white-space:pre-wrap"> this project.</span><del class="" style="font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none;border-top-left-radius:0.33em;border-top-right-radius:0.33em;border-bottom-right-radius:0.33em;border-bottom-left-radius:0.33em;padding:0.25em 0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:19.200000762939453px;white-space:pre-wrap;background:rgb(254,238,200)">]"</del> is that no money is or will be exchanged specifically for this project. Yes, people are paid as part of their normal job, but there are no specific contracts for this project.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I changed the <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DC_Buildings_%26_Addresses_Import#Plan">Wiki </a>to read "<span style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19.200000762939453px">Work will be performed primarily by DC GIS employees which includes paid summer interns. No paid contracts specifically for this import project have been issued or will be issued."</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19.200000762939453px"><br></span></div><div><font color="#000000" face="sans-serif"><span style="line-height:19.200000762939453px">The DC GIS interns are IT savvy and are being trained solidly on the import procedures. Furthermore, the interns live in the jurisdiction (DC) where the data is being imported. This is their hometown. </span></font></div>
<div><br></div><div>David<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>David Jackson | GIS Analyst | Office of the Chief technology Officer<br></div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 8:19 PM, Serge Wroclawski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:emacsen@gmail.com" target="_blank">emacsen@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="">On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Alex Barth <<a href="mailto:alex@mapbox.com">alex@mapbox.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> From the Mapbox team, I myself and my colleague Aaron have been in touch<br>
> with David Jackson from DC/OCTO who's leading the import to help him work<br>
> through setting up tools, so has Mikel who is not affiliated with Mapbox.<br>
> Brian DeRocher and Steven Johnson (also not affiliated with Mapbox) have<br>
> offered to provide training.<br>
<br>
</div>I'm glad that you responded to the criticism about not engaging the<br>
local community by reaching out to the local community- that's<br>
excellent news.<br>
<div class=""><br>
> What's exciting about this project is that DC government is engaging first<br>
> hand. Young people will learn about OpenStreetMap hands on, and they'll even<br>
> get some cash for it - and this is all part of working for their city!<br>
> That's awesome and I'll continue to support that. Mapbox isn't planning<br>
> right now to do any of the upload or map review work.<br>
<br>
</div>I'm very confused about this. I thought that David said no money would<br>
exchange hands.<br>
<br>
When we say "Is anyone being paid?" we mean "Is anyone being paid?". I<br>
feel that there is a great deal of honesty missing here, which also<br>
sends me a message of lack of respect. I'm glad that it's being<br>
explained now, but I why has getting the answer about money been like<br>
pulling teeth?<br>
<br>
I personally have concerns about these interns because they will be<br>
coming new into OSM (ie they are not OSM community members) and they<br>
will have the same bad incentives that we've seen in the past with<br>
paid mappers. Frederik has suggested some ways of addressing the<br>
concerns- I'm interested to see what you and David's responses are to<br>
those suggestions.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
- Serge<br>
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