<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Serge Wroclawski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:emacsen@gmail.com" target="_blank">emacsen@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">David,<br>
<br>
Thank you for your straightforward answer. Mikel and Alex have pointed<br>
out that you're getting flak for a situation that you are not involved<br>
in. </blockquote><div><br></div><div>+1 agree. Sounds great to have local interns helping out and happy to have OCTO on board. My main concern for the NYC import was with paid remote mappers, but have no concerns about local interns and OCTO.</div>
<div><br></div><div>If there is anything we can do to help (maybe check/update the existing areas), please let us know and some permissions to help with the tasking manager would be nice. (for the existing areas)</div><div>
<br></div><div>For the test areas, mostly looks good though I slightly cleaned up some how the buildings are integrated with the existing data (e.g. parking lots).</div><div><br></div><div>Also, might be good to have further clarifications regarding permission and licensing of the data.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Katie</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I think that's a fair crititism and so I want to help contexualize<br>
the situation.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>[snip]</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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- Serge<br>
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[1] Please no one complain that there are actually no "seas" between<br>
here and Brazil.<br>
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On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 8:47 AM, David Jackson (OCTO)<br>
<<a href="mailto:davidy.jackson@dc.gov">davidy.jackson@dc.gov</a>> wrote:<br>
> Serge,<br>
><br>
> What I meant when I stated '[ There is no money being exchanged for work on<br>
> this project.]" is that no money is or will be exchanged specifically for<br>
> this project. Yes, people are paid as part of their normal job, but there<br>
> are no specific contracts for this project.<br>
><br>
> I changed the Wiki to read "Work will be performed primarily by DC GIS<br>
> employees which includes paid summer interns. No paid contracts specifically<br>
> for this import project have been issued or will be issued."<br>
><br>
> The DC GIS interns are IT savvy and are being trained solidly on the import<br>
> procedures. Furthermore, the interns live in the jurisdiction (DC) where<br>
> the data is being imported. This is their hometown.<br>
><br>
> David<br>
><br>
> David Jackson | GIS Analyst | Office of the Chief technology Officer<br>
> (W) 202.724.5135 | 200 I ST SE, 5TH FL, Washington, DC<br>
> <a href="mailto:davidy.jackson@dc.gov">davidy.jackson@dc.gov</a> | Blog: <a href="http://dcaddresscoordinates.blogspot.com" target="_blank">dcaddresscoordinates.blogspot.com</a><br>
> Telework Day: Fri<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 8:19 PM, Serge Wroclawski <<a href="mailto:emacsen@gmail.com">emacsen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Alex Barth <<a href="mailto:alex@mapbox.com">alex@mapbox.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > From the Mapbox team, I myself and my colleague Aaron have been in touch<br>
>> > with David Jackson from DC/OCTO who's leading the import to help him<br>
>> > work<br>
>> > through setting up tools, so has Mikel who is not affiliated with<br>
>> > Mapbox.<br>
>> > Brian DeRocher and Steven Johnson (also not affiliated with Mapbox) have<br>
>> > offered to provide training.<br>
>><br>
>> I'm glad that you responded to the criticism about not engaging the<br>
>> local community by reaching out to the local community- that's<br>
>> excellent news.<br>
>><br>
>> > What's exciting about this project is that DC government is engaging<br>
>> > first<br>
>> > hand. Young people will learn about OpenStreetMap hands on, and they'll<br>
>> > even<br>
>> > get some cash for it - and this is all part of working for their city!<br>
>> > That's awesome and I'll continue to support that. Mapbox isn't planning<br>
>> > right now to do any of the upload or map review work.<br>
>><br>
>> I'm very confused about this. I thought that David said no money would<br>
>> exchange hands.<br>
>><br>
>> When we say "Is anyone being paid?" we mean "Is anyone being paid?". I<br>
>> feel that there is a great deal of honesty missing here, which also<br>
>> sends me a message of lack of respect. I'm glad that it's being<br>
>> explained now, but I why has getting the answer about money been like<br>
>> pulling teeth?<br>
>><br>
>> I personally have concerns about these interns because they will be<br>
>> coming new into OSM (ie they are not OSM community members) and they<br>
>> will have the same bad incentives that we've seen in the past with<br>
>> paid mappers. Frederik has suggested some ways of addressing the<br>
>> concerns- I'm interested to see what you and David's responses are to<br>
>> those suggestions.<br>
>><br>
>> - Serge<br>
>><br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Katie Filbert<br><a href="mailto:filbertk@gmail.com" target="_blank">filbertk@gmail.com</a><br>@filbertkm / @wikimediadc / @wikidata
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