<div dir="ltr"><div>Intensive commercial production of fruit berries, nuts... could be both:<br></div><div><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantation#Orchards" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantation#Orchards</a><br></div><div>landuse=plantation</div><div>or</div><div>landuse=orchard</div><div>+ new intensivity tag (eg orchard=intensive or orchard_intensive=yes or ...)</div><div><a href="http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/?key=orchard#values" target="_blank">http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/?key=orchard#values</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>plantation seems better fit, but is not used much.</div><div>orchard is establihed, but orchard intensivity would be new.</div><div><br></div><div>so, I'm still divided regarding orchards.</div><div><br></div><div>Hop fields are primarily larger fields areas, that don't fit with the "garden" tag (the minimum in the source is 500 m2)</div><div><a href="http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/landuse=hop_field">http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/landuse=hop_field</a> would be new, no prior use so far<br></div><div><a href="http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/landuse=hop_garden">http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/landuse=hop_garden</a> has only 50 uses and it's status is not approved yet<br></div><div><a href="http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/crop=hop">http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/crop=hop</a> seems more widely used, with 670+ instances<br></div><div>Still leaning strongly towards established landuse=farmland + crop=hop (winter renderings can add poles and wires if needed from this info)</div><div><br></div><div>greets,</div><div>Štefan</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Sander Deryckere <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sanderd17@gmail.com" target="_blank">sanderd17@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Orchards are more for trees and shrubs AFAIK.<br><br></div>While hop plants are something special. Hop plants completely disappear in the winter, only the roots remain. But they grow bigger every next summer (hop can grow at a rate of 10cm per day). <br><br></div><div>Here you see a summer hop garden: <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lina_%28Neustadt_Donau%292.jpg" target="_blank">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lina_%28Neustadt_Donau%292.jpg</a><br></div><div>And the same in the winter: <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lina_Neustadt_Do.JPG" target="_blank">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lina_Neustadt_Do.JPG</a><br></div><div><br></div>Because of the lack of plants in the winter, I doubt that it would classify as an orchard. <br><br></div>The correct term for it would be a hop garden or a hop field, which could be tagged in several ways.<br><br></div>* landuse=farmfield + crop=hop (may be strange due to the more or less permanent poles and wires visible on hop fields)<br></div>* landuse=hop_garden<br></div>* landuse=hop_field<br><br></div>Since landuse=hop_garden seems to be used more, I'd go with that.<br><br></div>Regards,<br>Sander<br><div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">2014-12-12 13:00 GMT+01:00 Pavel Machek <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pavel@ucw.cz" target="_blank">pavel@ucw.cz</a>></span>:</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5">Hi!<br>
<span><br>
> Glen, thank you for sharing your experience!<br>
><br>
> Yes, we did spend sime time already figuring out the proper tags and were<br>
> wondering if we should continue with refining details (pointless if the<br>
> features would not be imported).<br>
><br>
> I am familiar with produce/trees/crop/species sub tags and we do plan to<br>
> preserve this info where present (olive trees, hop garden, vine plant<br>
> nursery...). The unresolved issue is that source contains 2 types of<br>
> orchards:<br>
> - id=1222: domestic, garden-like, non-dense, with few older, not purposely<br>
> planted, but casually taken care-of various fruit trees around houses and<br>
> - id=1221: intensively cared for, larger areas of young, regularly pruned<br>
> trees of same species planted in rows after rows. Includes fruit, berries<br>
> and nuts<br>
> I was conidering landuse=plantation for the later one, but that tag is not<br>
> widely used, nor documented well. Is there an established<br>
> alternative?<br>
<br>
</span>It seems both are orchards, so they should be marked as such, and<br>
further specify orchard type with additional tag...<br>
<br>
Like orchard_intensive=yes/no?<br>
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