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For info - this was a message received by the DWG that cc:ed the
imports list - that's why I'm reposting here from a subscribed
address. The full original message is at the end.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi,<br>
<br>
I thought I'd better reply since I didn't see a message drop
onto the imports list <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports</a>
- I'm guessing you're not subscribed there. The Data Working
Group normally deals with issues such as copyright and mapper
dispute resolution, but I'll try and help here.<br>
<br>
> Is there any plan to correct and update OSM Fiji?<br>
<br>
There are almost no top-level plans for updating anything within
OpenStreetMap. Updates are made by individuals or small groups
locally or remotely. Looking at <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/history#map=9/-17.8285/177.3756"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/history#map=9/-17.8285/177.3756">http://www.openstreetmap.org/history#map=9/-17.8285/177.3756</a></a>
(and ignoring those changes covering continental-sized areas) it
appears that there a few local users there. You might be able
to find more about mapping in Fiji by contacting one or more of
those people (click the name then "Send Message").<br>
<br>
> Can we do a large-scale import of MapInfo data to correct
and improve completeness for Fiji, <br>
<br>
That's something that you could do, subject to the data being
(a) any good and (b) being available under a compatible
licence. The procedure for importing data is described at <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines</a></a>
. Note that it's a colaborative process - you'll need to
discuss your plans with the rest of the community.<br>
<br>
> or is this something that needs to be manually corrected?
<br>
<br>
At the very least, I'd expect that newly imported boundaries
would need to be merged with the existing data in OSM.<br>
<br>
> For example, would we have to “ set up a source for users
to manually and selectively import from”<br>
<br>
Something like that is also possible - here's an example: <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Snapshot_Server"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Snapshot_Server">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Snapshot_Server</a></a>
.<br>
<br>
> Is there someone who can provide technical assistance?<br>
<br>
Yes, I'm sure that there are lots of people. I'd suggest asking
for help on the main "talk" list <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk</a></a>
(you'll need to subscribe). Do bear in mind however that almost
everyone updating OpenStreetMap is a volunteer, doing it in
their free time - there is no huge pool of employees to draw
on. Another site that you might find useful is <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://help.openstreetmap.org/"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://help.openstreetmap.org/">https://help.openstreetmap.org/</a></a>
- that's useful for finding the answers to "How do I do X" type
questions. Most "international boundaries" discussion takes
place over at <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=53173">http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=53173</a>
(both German and English, and I'm sure other languages, are
understood there).<br>
<br>
> What would be the time frame that you recommend for a
project such as this? (there is a time sensitivity as <br>
> we need to launch U-Report Fiji in the coming months)<br>
<br>
It's difficult to estimate without a real idea of the scope. A
similar (but much larger) "boundaries merge" project was <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mexico%27s_Administrative_Divisions_Import_Project"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mexico's_Administrative_Divisions_Import_Project">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mexico's_Administrative_Divisions_Import_Project</a></a>
, and that took a few months with (I'm guessing) 2 or 3 people
on it most of the time. If you want to estimate the time taken
for people to reply to comments about imports on the imports@ or
other lists, I'd suggest that you have a look at the list
history. You mention HOT elsewhere - I'd talk to them.<br>
<br>
> Also I did not come across a Fiji list on <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo</a></a>
so I am not sure how we <br>
> would go about getting “community support” for this.<br>
<br>
I'd start with the main talk list I think, and by asking people
that you can see are editing or have edited in Fiji how they
collaborate. Some local groups use mailing lists, some forums,
some third-party mechanisms such as Facebook, Google Groups,
Slack, Telegram and others. Also consider asking on IRC (see <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IRC"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IRC">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IRC</a></a>
) if you want an immediate reply (perhaps #osm, where there are
always people or #hot, which can be a bit quiet).<br>
<br>
Best Regards and good luck!<br>
<br>
Andy Townsend, on behalf of OSM's Data Working Group.<br>
<br>
PS: I am subscribed to the "imports" list so my reply (and your
message below) will therefore go there. It might be worth
checking back later to see if it gets any other replies.<br>
<br>
<br>
On 09/05/2016 03:50, Kate Learmonth wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Dear OSM team,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">We are working closely
with the Fijian Government on the implementation of
U-Report Fiji as the foundations of a community feedback
mechanism post Cyclone Winston. As you may be aware the
U-Report websites map the polling data using OSM <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://ureport.in"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://ureport.in">https://ureport.in</a></a>
(global site).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">Our RapidPro Vendor
Nyaruka has informed us that there isn't complete data for
Fiji; including at State level with things not being
correctly tagged. For example, the Western boundary has no
administrative level. The Secretariat of the Pacific
Community (SPC) Geosciences division works closely with
the Fijian Government and has mapped to 1:50,000 in
MapInfo and could provide the shape files to correct the
boundaries and hopefully improve data completeness (</span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525;background:white"
lang="EN-GB">proper permissions and licenses to use the
data in OSM still needs to be formally requested)</span><span
lang="EN-GB">. However, as I am new to OSM I am not sure
how to go about correcting this information on such a
large scale (fyi <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.spc.int">http://www.spc.int</a>).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">We would appreciate
it if someone can help us, first by answering the
following questions (I have looked at <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines</a></a>);<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2
level1 lfo3"> <span lang="EN-GB"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span
lang="EN-GB">Is there any plan to correct and update OSM
Fiji? I didn’t find Fiji in the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue</a>
or <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potential_Datasources">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potential_Datasources</a>
or <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Related_Projects">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Related_Projects</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2
level1 lfo3"> <span lang="EN-GB"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span
lang="EN-GB">Can we do a large-scale import of MapInfo
data to correct and improve completeness for Fiji, or is
this something that needs to be manually corrected? For
example, would we have to “</span><span
class="apple-converted-space"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525;background:white"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525;background:white"
lang="EN-GB">set up a source for users to manually and
selectively import from”</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2
level1 lfo3"> <span lang="EN-GB"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span
lang="EN-GB">Is there someone who can provide technical
assistance?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2
level1 lfo3"> <span lang="EN-GB"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">4.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span
lang="EN-GB">What would be the time frame that you
recommend for a project such as this? (there is a time
sensitivity as we need to launch U-Report Fiji in the
coming months)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Also to note that
U-Report Fiji has a humanitarian aspect (Cyclone Winston
response) and will be used as an ongoing early warning,
early response mechanism. I have not yet contacted the HOT
team.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Also I did not come
across a Fiji list on <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo</a>
so I am not sure how we would go about getting “community
support” for this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Warm regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:deepskyblue">Kate
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