<div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>This discussion is no longer on topic for this thread (or mailing list) or constructive feedback. Please limit your comments to the import at hand.</div><div><br></div><div>-Ian</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 2:34 PM Frederik Ramm <<a href="mailto:frederik@remote.org">frederik@remote.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
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On 09/09/2018 08:52 PM, Stephen V. Mather wrote:<br>
> FYI, this is gaslighting and not an appropriate response to a request to respect the etiquette guidelines.<br>
<br>
Welcome to this mailing list!<br>
<br>
Have you been following this discussion for longer, or have you just<br>
joined? Reason I'm asking is that it would allow me to get an idea of<br>
which past communications on this list you are likely to have seen, and<br>
then to understand why this one in particular prompted you to write your<br>
first post given that quite a few rudenesses have been exchanged in the<br>
past.<br>
<br>
If, in response to what you just wrote, I were to ask you to respect<br>
etiquette, then what would be an appropriate response on your part?<br>
Would you *not* ask for clarification?<br>
<br>
Do you think that it should be obvious to everyone where a potential<br>
etiquette violation lies and that Christoph is acting in bad faith when<br>
he asks for details?<br>
<br>
Is everyone expected, upon receiving a non-concrete message about having<br>
violated etiquette, to carefully revisit everything they have written<br>
and ask themselves whether this could be considered offensive? If that<br>
is what you think is right, would this not be an effective measure to<br>
silence each and everyone?<br>
<br>
I always thought "gaslighting" was trying to make someone believe<br>
they're out of their mind, like if I was to make funny noises in a<br>
conversation and someone would ask what the noises were and I would say<br>
"haven't heard anything". In your use of the word, would it also apply<br>
to one person saying "you are impolite!" and the other person saying<br>
"how so"?<br>
<br>
Bye<br>
Frederik<br>
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