<div dir="ltr">Hi, Jean-Guilhem, <div><br></div><div>the phrase you refer to is transcribed in the three languages:</div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">"Per tant la informació pot ser integrada a la cartografia d'OpenStreetMap respectant les condicions i normes mencionades en aquesta normativa.</span> " <br></div><div>"<span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">Por lo tanto la información puede ser integrada en la cartografía de OpenStreetMap respetando las condiciones y normas mencionadas en esta normativa."</span></div><div><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">"</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">Therefore, the information can be integrated into the OpenStreetMap cartography respecting the conditions and rules mentioned in this regulation."</span></div><div><br></div><div>It says that we can use the data in OSM, but they are under the conditions mentioned in articles 17.1 and 17.3 of the law of transparency, and these are the articles that appear to be invalid for OSM. <br></div><div><br></div><div>In any case, after the license change from the original dataset to CCO, we are also working to make the change to the rest of the datasets that are of interest to the community. </div><div><br></div><div>For this I need confirmation from the community that this change is enough ...<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div></div><div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br> <table style="border-top:1px solid #d3d4de">
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<a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1" height="1"></a></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El sáb., 21 mar. 2020 a las 9:20, Jean-Guilhem Cailton (<<a href="mailto:jgc@arkemie.com">jgc@arkemie.com</a>>) escribió:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Hello, <br>
<br>
(from France — in case this can help to be considered neutral.<br>
And, fortunately, able to understand written Latin-derived Catalan
language)<br>
<br>
It is quite sad to see that an official letter in Catalan language
could not be understood and recognized by the global OSM
Community, apparently, so far.<br>
<br>
A sentence from the scanned original official authorization letter
explicitly states:<br>
« Therefore, the information can be integrated into OpenStreetMap
cartography […] »<br>
<br>
It is quite strange that this quite crucial sentence is currently
missing from all three « transcriptions » in the Wiki (Català,
Español, English)… <br>
Maybe this explains the misunderstanding?<br>
<br>
<br>
I also take this opportunity to remind that even virtual (on-line)
« endangering of other people », whether negligent or deliberate,
(using wording from French Code Pénal — assuming equivalent
notions also exist in other legislations) is liable to legal
action.<br>
<br>
<br>
Take good care of yourself, and of Others in the measure of your
possibilities.<br>
<br>
Best wishes,<br>
<br>
Jean-Guilhem<br>
<br>
<br>
<a href="http://twitter.com/jgVisov" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/jgVisov</a><br>
<br>
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Le 16/03/2020 à 18:40, Lanxana . a écrit :<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi,
<div>we discussed the import in Telegram groups, and then write
to the lists. That's why times may have overlapped.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>All the task will be revised, you can, if you want.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>An user can have >1000 editions and his user_imports
account only 10. It's less expert for this?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>All the pharmacies listed in the dataset are dispensing
prescription drugs. Only the parapharmacies (not included in
the dataset) would not. We don't know why another added
dispensing=no to pharmacies. May be using
non-spanhish recipes? Can I buy a prescription drug in France
with my Spanish prescription, or would I have to go to a
French doctor to send me a French prescription? I say then
that the French pharmacy does not sell prescription drugs, and
add dispensing=no?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Finally, we could have done the import without giving
explanations, without changesets or dedicated users, but we
opted to, as far as possible, respond to community concerns to
help, and follow the OSM import guidelines.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If you see fit, reverse all changes, they are well
identified. But I wonder how many imports are being made
without the community knowing ...<br>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El lun., 16 mar. 2020 a las
18:08, Frederik Ramm (<<a href="mailto:frederik@remote.org" target="_blank">frederik@remote.org</a>>)
escribió:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
On 2020-03-15 10:35, Lanxana . wrote:<br>
> We set our goal in emergency services, and more
specifically in<br>
> pharmacies. We have had express permission for a long
time to reuse the<br>
> official data, but the import has not been carried out
yet. In a short<br>
> time we have prepared the project and its management
through the Task<br>
> Manager, that allows coordinate and verify the tasks.<br>
<br>
Please do not use the current health issue as an excuse to
circumvent<br>
usual processes in OSM. You can't let the import task sit
around forever<br>
and then rush it through "because health crisis".<br>
<br>
> The import basically consists of verifying the data of
the pharmacies<br>
> already mapped (address and contact details) and adding
those that are<br>
> not, and will be done by expert mappers, with several
hours and years<br>
> behind us, and with experience in both map editing and
HOT projects.<br>
<br>
It appears to me that most of the import is being done by one
single<br>
user named "jlinfante_import". I would like to know what this
mapper<br>
maps apart from imports, but they haven't written anything in
his user<br>
profile that would point to their normal account.<br>
<br>
> Although we know that it is not the usual procedure,
given the urgency<br>
<br>
Nothing is urgent here. Nobody will suddenly suffer because a
pharmacy<br>
is missing from OSM. You are just making up an urgent task
because you<br>
sit at home with nothing else to do.<br>
<br>
> after discussing it with the Spanish<br>
> community (Spanish discussion list<br>
> <<a href="http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/Importacion-equipamientos-basicos-de-Catalunya-farmacias-etc-tp5960515.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/Importacion-equipamientos-basicos-de-Catalunya-farmacias-etc-tp5960515.html</a>>)<br>
<br>
This is a "discussion" that was started 24 hours before you
wrote that<br>
message claiming you "have discussed it", and the "community"
you<br>
discussed it with was two people. (Also I notice that many
edits to<br>
pharmacies have been made even before that message to the
Spanish list,<br>
e.g. <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82178419" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82178419</a>
- it appears that<br>
you first set up the task and then thought about it later!)<br>
<br>
This is a parody of an import process - it's almost like the
"PEOPLE<br>
WILL DIE!!!!" imports we saw from HOT in their early days,
which<br>
thankfully have made way for a more diligent approach.<br>
<br>
> we have decided to start it without delay.<br>
<br>
Rushed decisions like this have the potential to harm OSM, and
in<br>
principle the import should be reverted purely on the basis of<br>
neglecting long-established procedure. We don't want everyone
else to<br>
"help" by starting some other remotely health-related import
in their<br>
country "because crisis".<br>
<br>
Looking at the data in detail, I was struck by some changesets
that<br>
carry your tags but make other edits<br>
(<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82265474?node_page=1" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82265474?node_page=1</a>),
others<br>
that have an "operator" tag that has the name of the
pharmacist in<br>
all-capital letters (<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7294905972" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7294905972</a>)
and<br>
the occasional replacement of a "dispensing=no" with a
"dispensing=yes"<br>
(<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1945875594/history" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1945875594/history</a>)
- are you<br>
*absolutely* sure that the original mapper was wrong in
manually adding<br>
"dispensing=no", or are you just overwriting that on a whim?<br>
<br>
Bye<br>
Frederik<br>
<br>
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