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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Lanxana,<br>
<br>
You are right. I am sorry I didn’t see it.<br>
<br>
Probably because in the original it was standing in a paragraph of
its own, clearly visible in the formatting, which thus underlined
its importance.<br>
And not so in the « transcriptions », where the formatting makes
it appear rather at the end of a long paragraph, apparently part
of “Article 17”.<br>
<br>
I remember imports where the key need regarding licensing,
especially on questions of compatibility with specific licenses,
was to have an explicit authorization namely given to
OpenStreetMap. (E.g. in case of future OSM license change…) Which
was apparently provided here.<br>
<br>
<br>
I also confirm that, at least in French law, the safety of persons
prevails on less vital considerations. See e.g. Article 223-7 of
Code Pénal. That 100 physicists and health care workers have used
to file a legal complaint against Prime Minister and former
Minister of Health. <br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/coronavirus-une-plainte-contre-edouard-philippe-et-agnes-buzyn-a-ete-deposee-20200321">https://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/coronavirus-une-plainte-contre-edouard-philippe-et-agnes-buzyn-a-ete-deposee-20200321</a><br>
“Anyone who voluntarily refrains from taking or instigating
measures that make it possible, without risk to himself or to
third parties, to combat a disaster likely to create a danger to
the safety of persons shall be punished by two years' imprisonment
and a fine of 30,000 euros.” <br>
(Deepl automatic translation of quote from Le Figaro article)<br>
<br>
Do I need to make it quite clear that this was not addressed to
you, nor to those who do what they can to help? ;)<br>
<br>
Take good care of yourself.<br>
<br>
Best wishes,<br>
<br>
Jean-Guilhem<br>
<br>
<br>
Le 21/03/2020 à 18:50, Lanxana . a écrit :<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi, Jean-Guilhem,
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<div>the phrase you refer to is transcribed in the three
languages:</div>
<div><br>
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<div><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">"Per
tant la informació pot ser integrada a la cartografia
d'OpenStreetMap respectant les condicions i normes
mencionades en aquesta normativa.</span> " <br>
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<div>"<span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">Por lo
tanto la información puede ser integrada en la cartografía
de OpenStreetMap respetando las condiciones y normas
mencionadas en esta normativa."</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">"</span><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">Therefore, the
information can be integrated into the OpenStreetMap
cartography respecting the conditions and rules mentioned in
this regulation."</span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It says that we can use the data in OSM, but they are under
the conditions mentioned in articles 17.1 and 17.3 of the law
of transparency, and these are the articles that appear to be
invalid for OSM. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In any case, after the license change from the original
dataset to CCO, we are also working to make the change to the
rest of the datasets that are of interest to the community. </div>
<div><br>
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<div>For this I need confirmation from the community that this
change is enough ...<br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Thanks.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El sáb., 21 mar. 2020 a las
9:20, Jean-Guilhem Cailton (<<a
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<div>Hello, <br>
<br>
(from France — in case this can help to be considered
neutral.<br>
And, fortunately, able to understand written Latin-derived
Catalan language)<br>
<br>
It is quite sad to see that an official letter in Catalan
language could not be understood and recognized by the
global OSM Community, apparently, so far.<br>
<br>
A sentence from the scanned original official
authorization letter explicitly states:<br>
« Therefore, the information can be integrated into
OpenStreetMap cartography […] »<br>
<br>
It is quite strange that this quite crucial sentence is
currently missing from all three « transcriptions » in the
Wiki (Català, Español, English)… <br>
Maybe this explains the misunderstanding?<br>
<br>
<br>
I also take this opportunity to remind that even virtual
(on-line) « endangering of other people », whether
negligent or deliberate, (using wording from French Code
Pénal — assuming equivalent notions also exist in other
legislations) is liable to legal action.<br>
<br>
<br>
Take good care of yourself, and of Others in the measure
of your possibilities.<br>
<br>
Best wishes,<br>
<br>
Jean-Guilhem<br>
<br>
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Le 16/03/2020 à 18:40, Lanxana . a écrit :<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi,
<div>we discussed the import in Telegram groups, and
then write to the lists. That's why times may have
overlapped.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>All the task will be revised, you can, if you want.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>An user can have >1000 editions and his
user_imports account only 10. It's less expert for
this?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>All the pharmacies listed in the dataset are
dispensing prescription drugs. Only the parapharmacies
(not included in the dataset) would not. We don't know
why another added dispensing=no to pharmacies. May be
using non-spanhish recipes? Can I buy a prescription
drug in France with my Spanish prescription, or would
I have to go to a French doctor to send me a French
prescription? I say then that the French pharmacy does
not sell prescription drugs, and add dispensing=no?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Finally, we could have done the import without
giving explanations, without changesets or dedicated
users, but we opted to, as far as possible, respond to
community concerns to help, and follow the OSM import
guidelines.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If you see fit, reverse all changes, they are well
identified. But I wonder how many imports are being
made without the community knowing ...<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El lun., 16 mar. 2020
a las 18:08, Frederik Ramm (<<a
href="mailto:frederik@remote.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">frederik@remote.org</a>>)
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
On 2020-03-15 10:35, Lanxana . wrote:<br>
> We set our goal in emergency services, and more
specifically in<br>
> pharmacies. We have had express permission for a
long time to reuse the<br>
> official data, but the import has not been
carried out yet. In a short<br>
> time we have prepared the project and its
management through the Task<br>
> Manager, that allows coordinate and verify the
tasks.<br>
<br>
Please do not use the current health issue as an
excuse to circumvent<br>
usual processes in OSM. You can't let the import task
sit around forever<br>
and then rush it through "because health crisis".<br>
<br>
> The import basically consists of verifying the
data of the pharmacies<br>
> already mapped (address and contact details) and
adding those that are<br>
> not, and will be done by expert mappers, with
several hours and years<br>
> behind us, and with experience in both map
editing and HOT projects.<br>
<br>
It appears to me that most of the import is being done
by one single<br>
user named "jlinfante_import". I would like to know
what this mapper<br>
maps apart from imports, but they haven't written
anything in his user<br>
profile that would point to their normal account.<br>
<br>
> Although we know that it is not the usual
procedure, given the urgency<br>
<br>
Nothing is urgent here. Nobody will suddenly suffer
because a pharmacy<br>
is missing from OSM. You are just making up an urgent
task because you<br>
sit at home with nothing else to do.<br>
<br>
> after discussing it with the Spanish<br>
> community (Spanish discussion list<br>
> <<a
href="http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/Importacion-equipamientos-basicos-de-Catalunya-farmacias-etc-tp5960515.html"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/Importacion-equipamientos-basicos-de-Catalunya-farmacias-etc-tp5960515.html</a>>)<br>
<br>
This is a "discussion" that was started 24 hours
before you wrote that<br>
message claiming you "have discussed it", and the
"community" you<br>
discussed it with was two people. (Also I notice that
many edits to<br>
pharmacies have been made even before that message to
the Spanish list,<br>
e.g. <a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82178419"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82178419</a>
- it appears that<br>
you first set up the task and then thought about it
later!)<br>
<br>
This is a parody of an import process - it's almost
like the "PEOPLE<br>
WILL DIE!!!!" imports we saw from HOT in their early
days, which<br>
thankfully have made way for a more diligent approach.<br>
<br>
> we have decided to start it without delay.<br>
<br>
Rushed decisions like this have the potential to harm
OSM, and in<br>
principle the import should be reverted purely on the
basis of<br>
neglecting long-established procedure. We don't want
everyone else to<br>
"help" by starting some other remotely health-related
import in their<br>
country "because crisis".<br>
<br>
Looking at the data in detail, I was struck by some
changesets that<br>
carry your tags but make other edits<br>
(<a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82265474?node_page=1"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82265474?node_page=1</a>),
others<br>
that have an "operator" tag that has the name of the
pharmacist in<br>
all-capital letters (<a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7294905972"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7294905972</a>)
and<br>
the occasional replacement of a "dispensing=no" with a
"dispensing=yes"<br>
(<a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1945875594/history"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1945875594/history</a>)
- are you<br>
*absolutely* sure that the original mapper was wrong
in manually adding<br>
"dispensing=no", or are you just overwriting that on a
whim?<br>
<br>
Bye<br>
Frederik<br>
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