<div dir="auto">Dear all,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In OSM, however, we can find, for example, the Tatra or the Harz mountains and all the ranges in the Alps, from the Dolomites to Karwendel. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If Karwendel is a social construct, what is it doing in OSM? It is not only a node, but mapped as a whole mountain area, even covering the town of Hall in Tirol, that is located on the river valley. I guess that is wrong, but do I want Karwendel to be removed? Of course not.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Please do not obstruct the mapping of natural elements, especially when local mappers are so excited about doing it.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Otherwise, please start cleaning OSM of unwanted and unnecessary information in your local areas first to set the example.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best regards</div><div dir="auto">Diego Cruz</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El dom., 7 feb. 2021 18:42, Mateusz Konieczny via Imports <<a href="mailto:imports@openstreetmap.org">imports@openstreetmap.org</a>> escribió:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div><br></div><div>7 Feb 2021, 15:25 by <a href="mailto:matheus.gomes03@hotmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">matheus.gomes03@hotmail.com</a>:<br></div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #93a3b8;padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Dear all,<br></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">It came as a surprise to me this discussion, mainly because, as far as I know (I'm not Spanish but I mapped there sometimes), the Spanish data (from Instituto Geográfico Nacional) is usually very good, and the local community is doing several imports beautifully
(I have yet to see a better Wiki page than the Spanish buildings import [1]).<br></div></blockquote><div><div>Note that complaint is specifically about<br></div><div>diffuse, basically impossible to verify data.<br></div><div><div><br></div></div><div>Noone wants to keep building outline<br></div><div>data out of OSM, while there are big discussions<br></div><div>how to map mountain ranges and is is<br></div><div>something mappable in OSM at all.<br></div><div><div><br></div></div><div>I am also highly dubious about mapping<br></div><div>mountain ranges also manually.<br></div></div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #93a3b8;padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I understand the community concerns regarding the data (as all imports should receive some special attention), but I think there is some overreaction that is not productive. The wiki is reasonably well written, and regarding verifiability, what exactly the
mappers are expecting? The Topo IGN map, per [2], shows initially that the data used to exemplify the import looks very good.<br></div></blockquote><div>And what happens when someone <br></div><div>wants to move imported node 5km<br></div><div>toward North?<br></div><div><br></div><div>In case of building it is easy to <br></div><div>answer "is building XYZ at location X, Y".<br></div><div><br></div><div>Mountain ranges are much fuzzier,<br></div><div>making me doubt is it something <br></div><div>fitting OSM at all.</div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #93a3b8;padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Spain is a mountainous country and OSM must reflect that</div></blockquote><div>It does not mean that mountain ranges are</div><div>mappable in OSM</div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #93a3b8;padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="font-size:12pt">but people don't use OSM because it lacks data, and when you try to import very good data, you can't also do it</span><br></div></blockquote><div>There are many types of data not</div><div>present in OSM at all, and not</div><div>importable, even if data itself is of<br></div><div>high quality.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Mountain ranges are borderline, and</div><div>my request is to consider alternatives.</div><div>For example using external data and OSM data together, <br></div><div>rather than copying this into OSM.</div> </div>
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