<div dir="ltr"><div>Your general observations about
verifiability are for sure very interesting, but unfortunately have nothing to do with our import, as anybody who reads the actual proposal will understand. </div><div><br></div><div>If you take the time necessary to get informed about the import, the process, the nature of the data, the source, and so on, and have something to say about that, I will be more than happy to answer any questions. Please don't hesitate contacting me if you need any kind of clarification. </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks. </div><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El dom, 7 feb 2021 a las 18:48, Christoph Hormann (<<a href="mailto:osm@imagico.de">osm@imagico.de</a>>) escribió:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Sunday 07 February 2021, Sergio Quintero wrote:<br>
><br>
> Ok, so you say that my import proposal is non-verifiable in OSM<br>
> terms and shouldn't be allowed, right?<br>
<br>
No, there is no requirement for imports to be allowed by anyone in OSM, <br>
only the requirement to discuss.<br>
<br>
We can only provide advice and suggestions, we cannot in any <br>
way 'forbid' or 'disallow' an import that has consensus support from <br>
the local community. I am deeply convinced that in cases a sustained <br>
disagreement of this form exists that means either the local community <br>
is right (which is always possible) or that they need to make the <br>
mistake and learn from it.<br>
<br>
> But at the same time, you <br>
> aren't offering any argument to sustent your position other that "I<br>
> seem to have a very fundamental misunderstanding about the concept of<br>
> verifiability in OSM", while on the other hand, you admit in other<br>
> email that you didn't even bother in reading my proposal, am I right?<br>
<br>
I said i have not looked at the data, i have not said i did not read <br>
your import proposal.<br>
<br>
My impression that you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding about <br>
the concept of verifiability in OSM is primarily based on you writing:<br>
<br>
"[...] it's in all respects and definitely official data, and therefore, <br>
the names of the Sierras that appear in our DB are unquestionably and <br>
by definition, their actual and real names."<br>
<br>
My comment is not a statement of fact, therefore i cannot really support <br>
it with arguments, i can only tell you how i got the impression (as i <br>
did).<br>
<br>
Somewhat off-topic here - but i would like to point to what i have <br>
stated in previous discussion w.r.t. the following comment:<br>
<br>
> [...] But rejecting the use of official<br>
> maps as a valid method of veryfiyng our data equals to say that the<br>
> Spanish National Geographic Institute, all the regional Geographic<br>
> Institutes and all the maps, books and all sources of information we<br>
> have been using in Spain for at least the last 50 years is wrong. And<br>
> nobody think so, isn't it?<br>
<br>
"Verifiability is also not to be confused with Verificationism, which <br>
rejects non-verifiable statements as not meaningful. OpenStreetMap does <br>
not pass judgement on the value of non-verifiable data by excluding it <br>
from its scope. It just says this kind of data the project cannot <br>
include in its database because it cannot be maintained under the <br>
project’s paradigm. The viability of OpenStreetMap as a project depends <br>
on it limiting its scope to verifiable statements."<br>
<br>
For context:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://blog.imagico.de/verifiability-and-the-wikipediarization-of-openstreetmap/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://blog.imagico.de/verifiability-and-the-wikipediarization-of-openstreetmap/</a><br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Christoph Hormann<br>
<a href="https://www.imagico.de/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.imagico.de/</a><br>
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