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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Good points.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>My interpretation is that planet.osm is a new
Derived Work each week and could be made available on the latest CC-BY-SA
licence, ie 3.0.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Would you suggest that the attribution on paper
would be as follows?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>“Map licence CC-BY-SA 3.0, details <a
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/licence">www.openstreetmap.org/licence</a>”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoBodyText><font size=1 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:9.0pt;line-height:120%'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoBodyText><font size=1 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:9.0pt;line-height:120%'>The web version would link from CC-BY-SA
3.0 to <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/">http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/</a>
and it might be appropriate to adjust the displayed text for the openstreetmap
link.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:9.0pt;line-height:120%'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoBodyText><font size=1 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:9.0pt;line-height:120%'>Personally I think this is getting pretty
crisp and practical. It does rely on a few specific legal opinions that we would
need to get checked out by a real lawyer (as I mentioned in the previous post)
and of course we can then fiddle with the detailed wording until the cows come
home which sounds like fun.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:9.0pt;line-height:120%'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoBodyText><font size=1 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:9.0pt;line-height:120%'>Have I missed anything?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoBodyText><font size=1 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:9.0pt;line-height:120%'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoBodyText><font size=1 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:9.0pt;line-height:120%'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoBodyText><font size=1 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:9.0pt;line-height:120%'>Peter<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:9.0pt;line-height:120%'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoBodyText><font size=1 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:9.0pt;line-height:120%'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoBodyText><b><font size=1 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:9.0pt;line-height:120%;font-weight:bold'>“<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoBodyText><b><font size=1 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:9.0pt;line-height:120%;font-weight:bold'>rob at robmyers.org</span></font></b><span
lang=EN-GB> <br>
<i><span style='font-style:italic'>Tue Jul 10 13:58:44 BST 2007<o:p></o:p></span></i></span></p>
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style='font-size:9.0pt;line-height:120%'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<pre><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Quoting Peter Miller <<a
href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-talk">peter.miller at itoworld.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>><i><span
style='font-style:italic'> Agreed, 'Some rights reserved' is not every precise and 'CC-BY-SA' gives<o:p></o:p></span></i></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>><i><span
style='font-style:italic'> more information to the informed reader in the same text length.<o:p></o:p></span></i></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>><i><span
style='font-style:italic'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>><i><span
style='font-style:italic'> "data from www.openstreetmap.org, CC-BY-SA licence" makes a lot of sense. I<o:p></o:p></span></i></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>><i><span
style='font-style:italic'> assume this text would be linked to the OSM site and Creative Commons<o:p></o:p></span></i></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>><i><span
style='font-style:italic'> licence page respectively when used on a web site.<o:p></o:p></span></i></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Make sure to include the licence version (e.g. CC-BY-SA-2.5). It's <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>probably easiest to link to the licence URL at Creative Commons, which <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>gives the version number as part of the address and explains the <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>acronym.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>It might be worth making a static "Licence" page on the osm site to <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>handle licencing and attribution. This would be the URL mentioned by <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>the licence.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>So you could just say:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Map licence, see: <a
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/licence">http://www.openstreetmap.org/licence</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>One thing that is worth considering is how to handle CC Licence <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>upgrades. The "upgrade clause" in the BY_SA covers only derivative <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>works. You could argue that an updated version of the OSM database is <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>a derivative, in which case this would make it possible to upgrade the <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>licence as soon as someone added some extra data, but IANAL so I'm not <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>sure about this.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>- Rob.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt'>---</span></font><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Peter Miller Ito! <a
href="mailto:peter.miller@itoworld.com">peter.miller@itoworld.com</a>
</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'><a href="http://www.itoworld.com">www.itoworld.com</a></span></font><span
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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