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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Message: 6<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:34:19 +0000<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> From: MJ Ray <mjr@phonecoop.coop><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License update<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">legal-<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">talk@openstreetmap.org</st1:PersonName></st1:PersonName><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Message-ID:
<47e1327b.LuamIzPGyMXPotcZ%mjr@phonecoop.coop><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Frederik Ramm <frederik@remote.org> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> [ I wrote, apparently unattributed: ]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> > > Sorry if I'm coming into this cold from
the outside, but I really<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> > > don't see why any readers would help
this apparently-tangential<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> > > licence project.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> ><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> > What appears to be tangential about the
license project, and to whom<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> > does it appear so?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Not *the* licence project. *That* licence
project, making use cases<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> and testing things against them. I don't see how
that connects to the<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> OSMF licence development work except at one point
=> it is a tangent.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> I think the other reply addresses the
lawyer-reply part adequately.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>I don’t follow your argument. Use Cases and Validating
against Use Cases seems an entirely appropriate method to ensuring that we end
up with something fit for purpose. It is a technique that will be familiar to
most software developers which is a bonus.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>I am keen that the purposes for which the data can
legally used are made very clear (using Use Cases).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>I am keen that we don’t inadvertently allow data
to be ‘bled’ from the project is ways that isn’t useful to
the project (hence the ‘Bad Map Co’ Use Cases). There is a balance
to be made between allowing things that we want, while stopping things we don’t
want. This is particularly tricky around Derivate Works and Collective works;
too open and Bad Map Co will run off with our work, to tight and we can’t
make Collective Works which would make the project much less interesting for my
company. I will be interested to see how this balance is struck<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>I am keen that the final licence agreement is checked
by independent competent lawyers drawn from our target commercial user
community. Otherwise we won’t have tested to licence effectively.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>We should make sure that a good job is done, if money
is required then it needs to be found.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>Peter<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Hope that explains,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> --<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> MJ Ray (slef)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Webmaster for hire, statistician and online shop
builder for a small<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> worker cooperative http://www.ttllp.co.uk/
http://mjr.towers.org.uk/<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> (Notice http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html)
tel:+44-844-4437-237<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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