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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks for adding the new use cases. To be
clear the process is to first catalogue the Use Cases and then to ensure that
the new licence works with them as far as possible, not the other way round. It
will be interesting to see if the current draft currently covers them, but is
not essential.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The introduction paragraph of the ODBL wiki
page does point to the draft licence text; however this draft is very out of
date. A later draft of the licence with some minor changes made by a pro-bono
lawyer representing the OSMF does exist but has not been released to the community
yet. There may by now be a further draft following a scheduled meeting between <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Steve</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Coast</st1:PlaceName></st1:place>
and a lawyer a week ago on behalf of the OSMF however I have had no information
about the outcome of that meeting. Andy Robinson indicated that information
would be available on the OSMF website ‘soon’ in a post on this
list on the 28<sup>th</sup> Sept. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><a
href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2008-September/001212.html">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2008-September/001212.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Can I suggest that we continue this useful
discussion based on the information already available to us and remind
ourselves that this is a process that can occur without the legal text as it is
really part of the specification phase? We can be catch-up with the legal text
is due course and the OSMF gives us more information!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think we should add a clause to the
brief about ‘fair use’ and then give examples of when we believe
this is appropriate, ie when ‘non-substantial’ parts of the DB are
used which may be relevant for some of the use cases.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Peter<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
legal-talk-bounces@openstreetmap.org
[mailto:legal-talk-bounces@openstreetmap.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Kari Pihkala<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 07 October 2008 08:05<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Licensing and other legal
discussions.<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Spam] Re:
[OSM-legal-talk] New license: What is publication/distribution?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I had a look at the Use
Cases at <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Open_Data_License">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Open_Data_License</a>
and most of them are very traditional - printing a map/book, TV, DVD and a map
on a web page. What about modern use cases, mainly web-based mashups??<br>
<br>
I added a use case for photo geotagging (ala Flickr), blog geotagging,
microblogging and wikipedia. Also, embedding coordinates in urls and as
hCard metadata. Have a look at them. Does the new license allow these? How
should OSM be attributed?<br>
<br>
BTW - The Open_Data_License page is referring a lot to some sections (4.4,
4.4c..) - are those sections in the new license, and where can they been seen?<br>
<br>
BR,<br>
Kari<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Peter Miller <<a
href="mailto:peter.miller@itoworld.com">peter.miller@itoworld.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:legal-talk-bounces@openstreetmap.org">legal-talk-bounces@openstreetmap.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:legal-talk-">legal-talk-</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> <a href="mailto:bounces@openstreetmap.org">bounces@openstreetmap.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Simon Ward<br>
> Sent: 07 October 2008 00:47<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:legal-talk@openstreetmap.org">legal-talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
> Subject: [Spam] Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New license: What is<br>
> publication/distribution?<br>
><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>> On Mon, Oct 06, 2008
at 03:52:54PM +0100, Peter Miller wrote:<br>
> > I have added the brief to the wiki here. Notice that I have also
created<br>
> a<br>
> > 'Use Cases' section heading where we can add key example uses of the<br>
> data<br>
> > which we can use to validate the final licence.<br>
> > <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Open_Data_License"
target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Open_Data_License</a><br>
><br>
> I'd just like to say thank you very much for this, and the discussion<br>
> you have helped provoke so far.<br>
><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Thanks, I am please how well the process is working. I notice some
changes<br>
to the wiki page, and that there are new words to clarify what is public and<br>
some new use cases which is good to see.<br>
<br>
I have gone through the wording in the brief to try to clarify and condense<br>
the new elements. I have also moved the comment about making a million DVDs<br>
to the Use Cases section. There is still more work needed on the Brief and<br>
on the Use Cases but it is certainly getting there.<br>
<font color="#888888"><span style='color:#888888'><br>
<br>
Peter</span></font><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> Simon<br>
> --<br>
> A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a<br>
> simple system that works.-John Gall<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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