<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Rob Myers <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rob@robmyers.org">rob@robmyers.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="im">On 07/15/2010 10:37 PM, John Smith wrote:<br>
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On 16 July 2010 00:48, Rob Myers<<a href="mailto:rob@robmyers.org" target="_blank">rob@robmyers.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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More than half. And within that more than half, the vote was overwhelming.<br>
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Which is amusing, because it wouldn't have passed if few people that<br>
disagreed hadn't voted.<br>
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Counterfactuals don't affect the actual vote.<div class="im"><br>
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There was a clear majority of those that voted.<br>
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Is this like mud, the more times you say it the more likely it is to stick?<br>
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We are discussing its relevance, not its truth.<br>
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If we are allowed to arbitrarily redefine how votes should be counted then, as I say, only 6.05% of the total possible electorate voted against relicencing.<div class="im"><br>
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People will be able to vote with their data once the voluntary relicencing<br>
system is in place.<br>
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Which is stupid, because if people are scared about the change they<br>
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The informal poll indicates that for the most part they are not.<div class="im"><br>
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won't agree (not vote, agree) to relicense their data. Why are you<br>
against giving the contributors a vote exactly?<br>
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I am not opposed to giving the contributors a vote. They can vote with their data. That is the only practical and effective way for the community to express their will, and the OSMF vote that we are discussing enabled it to take place.<br>
<br></blockquote><div>There's only one undeniable fact in this whole affair. Exactly 100% of all contributors have signed up to CC-BY-SA and have indicated that they are willing to contribute their data under that license.<br>
<br>That is a clear mandate for CC-BY-SA. Where's the mandate for ODbL? After more than two years of license-twiddling they still don't have a clue how much support there is. <br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Giving the community a ballot vote would first be voted on by the OSMF. Then even if the community did vote to relicence, ****the voluntary relicencing system would still have to be used because OSMF cannot relicence the project as a whole like Wikimedia did****.<br>
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This means that the project might still not reach "critical mass" if people didn't choose to relicence. The outcome of the ballot(s) would be rendered void. Everyone's time would be wasted and the will of the community would be less clear than ever before.<br>
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