<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 3:44 PM, David Groom <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:reviews@pacific-rim.net">reviews@pacific-rim.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Weait" <<a href="mailto:richard@weait.com" target="_blank">richard@weait.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence Implementation plan - declines ornon-responses<br>
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On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 8:59 AM, David Groom <<a href="mailto:reviews@pacific-rim.net" target="_blank">reviews@pacific-rim.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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In the implementation plan under phase 4 it asks "Final cut-off. Community<br>
Question... What do we do with the people who have Declined or not<br>
responded?" [1]<br>
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In order to speed up the final phases of the implementation plan, and in<br>
particular the move from "PHASE 4" to "DONE", would it be best to ask the<br>
above question now, rather than waiting till we get to phase 4 , and then<br>
initiating the community discussion?<br>
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Alternatively, if this question has already been asked and decided, and I've<br>
missed it, could the wiki be edited so we know what will happen.<br>
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Alternatively, if the response at the moment is "we don't know what we will<br>
do until we know how many people decline or don't respond, so we cant ask<br>
the community at the moment", could we at least know what the options are<br>
likely to be?<br>
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David<br>
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<a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License/Implementation_Plan#PHASE_4_-_CC-BY-SA_edits_no_longer_accepted._.28Phase_3_.2B_8_weeks_subject_to_critical_mass.29" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License/Implementation_Plan#PHASE_4_-_CC-BY-SA_edits_no_longer_accepted._.28Phase_3_.2B_8_weeks_subject_to_critical_mass.29</a><br>
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Part of this question is being discussed here [2] more as "what to do<br>
with the data" rather than the "people". As an open question I'm<br>
surprised to see so little discussion on this thread so far. It may<br>
be that we're just waiting to see what the visualization tools look /<br>
work like. Still the question, what exactly to do in various<br>
situations is interesting. How does one decliner-changeset in the<br>
middle of a chain of accepter-changestes effect the future data if the<br>
decliner made one position change, and subsequent editors made further<br>
position changes?<br>
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>From a purely "what to do with the people" point of view, I'd say the<br>
"people" are driving that bus. They'll decide to continue, or to<br>
increase or reduce their participation. Mappers do that every day.<br>
The project has nothing to say about it. Though after the license<br>
upgrade, the decision to continue would be under the community-agreed<br>
license and terms.<br>
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I suppose what I'm concerned about is if people don't agree the CT's but their data is still kept in the database because it is assumed its OK to keep it in.<br>
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One problem is that there will be at least two categories of people who don't accept the "agree" box on the CT's<br>
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1) Those who do not want to, or can not. agree to the CT's and make an decision not to accept the CT's.<br>
2) Those previous mappers who are no longer active and so won't even have made a choice between accepting or not.<br>
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In the case of group (1) it seems wrong to me to disregard their wishes and just leave the data in.<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div>It would be equally wrong to disregard the wishes of those in case 2. Being uncontactable is not a justification for abusing a person's rights.<br>
<br>OSM used to be very respectful of other people's copyright. It used to be one of the values that was held very highly. But now it seems to think that it can just trample all over the rights of the people who built it. <br>
<br>I'm ashamed that OSM is no longer the body that it once was. It has lost my respect.<br><br>80n<br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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I'd expect "decline" accounts to be kept for historical reasons though<br>
they would have to be deactivated from an editing perspective.<br>
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What do you think, David?<br>
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My initial assumption reaction was that if a contributor has not agreed the new CT's then his edits would be removed and any later edits which depended on his edits would be removed.<br>
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What I'm not sure about is where in [2] it says<br>
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* Where attributes have changed:<br>
* If the specific tag deleted or changed existed in a prior version, roll back that tag to the latest prior version (which could mean re-adding deleted tags) and then roll forward subsequent edits to that tag. Other tags should be unaffected.<br>
Then does that achieve it?<br>
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Say users A& C accept the CT's, user B does not<br>
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If user A adds a road and tags it highway=road<br>
user B tags does a proper survey and tags the road as highway = secondry<br>
user C notes the spelling error and changes the tag to highway = secondary<br>
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If B's edits are rolled back, then C's edits applied, does not the data really contain the effect of B's survey?<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
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David<br>
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[2] <a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2010-August/020124.html" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2010-August/020124.html</a><br>
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