<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Rob Myers <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rob@robmyers.org">rob@robmyers.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="im">On 09/24/2010 02:06 PM, 80n wrote:<br>
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From OS I have a "a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, non-exclusive"<br>
licence. But for the CTs I need a "worldwide, royalty-free,<br>
non-exclusive, perpetual, *irrevocable*" license.<br>
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There's no revocation or termination language in the OS licence, so I assume you have such a licence, *but* my knowledge of how the law works runs out at this point so I don't know for sure.</blockquote><div><br>
Mine too, but usually words like that are there (or absent) for a reason.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">
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I don't have the right to grant an irrevocable license.<br>
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For CC-BY-SA I have to grant a "worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive,<br>
perpetual (for the duration of the applicable copyright) license" which<br>
is revokable and term limited. The OS OpenData license permits me to do<br>
that. And what's more they explicitly state that the license is<br>
intended to be compatible with CC-BY-SA 3.0.<br>
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BY-SA isn't revokable. You can stop offering the work under BY-SA, but anyone who has already received it is free to continue to use it under BY-SA and to continue to offer it themselves. You cannot revoke their licence.<br>
</blockquote><div><br>Section 7 of CC-BY-SA 2.0 says "This License and the rights granted hereunder will terminate
automatically upon any breach by You of the terms of this License".<br><br>In other words, if I breach the license terms, for example by publishing without attribution, then the license is automatically revoked. <br>
<br>If OSMF breaches the contributor terms then anything I've given them necessarily needs to be revoked. The language to do that in the CTs is just plain missing.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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It's also not term limited, unless I've misunderstood something. Any copyright licence lasts at most for the duration of the copyright. Again it's an assumption on my part but I'd think copyright licences default to this.<br>
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(I'm now wondering if the OS licence is BY (and BY-SA) 2.0 compatible, as 2.0 lacks the non-endorsement language that the OS licence insists on... ;-) )</blockquote><div><br>Indeed. I'd expect the OS to do better than this given the preponderance of lawyers they employ. However they have clearly indicated their intent to be compatible with CC-BY-SA so that's something.<br>
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It then goes on to say "If You are not the copyright holder of the<br>
Contents, You represent and warrant that You have explicit permission<br>
from the rights holder" which is the relevant clause. It's obviously<br>
not clear enough for some people.<br>
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I still find it clear but I admit that it is a bit legalesey, yes.<div class="im"><br>
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I think there's plenty of evidence to suggest that most people don't<br>
read them. Here's an amusing example of such:<br>
<a href="http://www.pcpitstop.com/spycheck/eula.asp" target="_blank">http://www.pcpitstop.com/spycheck/eula.asp</a><br>
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I *never* read EULAs. Just alternative licences. ;-)<br>
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(I am not a lawyer, etc.)<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
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- Rob.<br>
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