<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 4:27 AM, Steve Bennett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stevagewp@gmail.com">stevagewp@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="im">On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Gregory Arenius <<a href="mailto:gregory@arenius.com">gregory@arenius.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> city changed the click through to address those problems. The agreement is<br>
> located here: <a href="http://gispub02.sfgov.org/website/sfshare/index2.asp" target="_blank">http://gispub02.sfgov.org/website/sfshare/index2.asp</a>.<br>
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</div>See this clause:<br>
>These Terms of Use do not grant You any title or right to any such intellectual property rights that the City or others may have in the GIS Data.<br>
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Translation: "You don't own it."<br></blockquote><div><br>The full clause is:<span style=""><font size="3"><br><br></font></span><blockquote><div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style=""><font size="3">IV.</font> <span style="font: 7pt 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span><font size="3">City's intellectual property rights not affected </font><span style=""><span style="line-height: normal; font-variant: normal; font-style: normal; font-size: 7pt; font-weight: normal;"><span style=""><span style="font: 7pt 'Times New Roman';"></span></span></span></span><span style=""><span style="line-height: normal; font-variant: normal; font-style: normal; font-size: 7pt; font-weight: normal;"><span style=""><span style="font: 7pt 'Times New Roman';"></span></span></span></span><br>
<span style=""><span style="line-height: normal; font-variant: normal; font-style: normal; font-size: 7pt; font-weight: normal;"><span style=""><span style="font: 7pt 'Times New Roman';"></span></span></span></span></div>
<span style=""><span style="line-height: normal; font-variant: normal; font-style: normal; font-size: 7pt; font-weight: normal;"><span style=""><span style="font: 7pt 'Times New Roman';"></span></span></span></span><br>
<span style=""><span style="line-height: normal; font-variant: normal; font-style: normal; font-size: 7pt; font-weight: normal;"><span style=""><span style="font: 7pt 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3"><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2">If
th<font size="2">e City claims or s</font>eeks to protect any patent, copyright, or other
intellectual property rights in any GIS Data, the website will so
indicate in the file containing such GIS Data or on the page from which
such GIS Data is accessed.<span> </span>These Terms of Use do
not grant You any title or right to any such intellectual property
rights that the City or others may have in the GIS Data.</font><span style=""><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2"> </font></span></font></span></span></span></span><br><span style=""><span style="line-height: normal; font-variant: normal; font-style: normal; font-size: 7pt; font-weight: normal;"><span style=""><span style="font: 7pt 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3"><span style=""></span></font></span></span></span></span></blockquote>
<span style=""><span style="line-height: normal; font-variant: normal; font-style: normal; font-size: 7pt; font-weight: normal;"><span style=""><span style="font: 7pt 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3"><span style=""><br>
</span></font></span></span></span></span>I read this as saying that the terms of use, which are there as a hold harmless waiver, don't grant any rights. It specifically states that if the city is claiming copyright on the data it will do so in the file or on the website that the file is accessed from. The file in question has no such claims. <br>
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Now see this clause:<br>
>You agree to only add Contents for which You are the copyright holder<br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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Translation: "You don't own it, you can't add it."<br>
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I believe you're refering to the CTs. My understanding is that the current draft states:<br>
<font size="2"><br>"You represent and warrant that, to the best of your knowledge, <font><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 217, 102);"></span></font>You are legally entitled to grant the licence in Sections 2 and 3 below.</font>"<br>
<font size="2"><br>My understanding is that I am legally entitled to grant that license because the city isn't claiming copyright on the data. Its public domain and as such can be added. I think the current draft of the CTs was changed to accommodate such things. <br>
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(I'm glad this isn't just about Nearmap now.)<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br>I sympathize with the Nearmap issues but I'm not sure that this is a comparable situation.<br><br>I've heard a lot of differing opinions on this issue but my reading is that everything is okay. I don't just want to steamroll through if other people think otherwise but I do think that we're okay using this data. Is there a way to get a more definitive reading of things? A working group or something?<br>
<br>Cheers,<br>Gregory Arenius<br></div></div><br>