<div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" dir="LTR" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;
text-align:left;line-height:normal;direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:embed"><span style="color: black; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Hi Simon,</font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="LTR" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;
text-align:left;line-height:normal;direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:embed"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="color: black; ">Thanks for your response.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="LTR" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;
text-align:left;line-height:normal;direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:embed"><span style="color: black; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> </font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="LTR" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;
text-align:left;line-height:normal;direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:embed"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="color: black; ">></span><span style="color: black; ">your terms and conditions don't really make
sense, for CC-BY-SA data</span><span style="color: black; "></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="LTR" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;
text-align:left;line-height:normal;direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:embed"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="color: black; ">Why so?</span><span style="color: black; "></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="LTR" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;
text-align:left;line-height:normal;direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:embed"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="color: black; ">I keep the data free,
the users can spread the data as they see fit. </span><span style="color: black; "></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="LTR" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;
text-align:left;line-height:normal;direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:embed"><span style="color: black; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">In other words, I don't care if companies will
grab data from individuals that post their data on their blogs, chat etc.</font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="LTR" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;
text-align:left;line-height:normal;direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:embed"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="color: black; ">I just won't to prevent commercial </span><span style="color: black; ">complies from exploiting my
service.</span><span style="color: black; "></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="LTR" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;
text-align:left;line-height:normal;direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:embed"><span style="color: black; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> </font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="LTR" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;
text-align:left;line-height:normal;direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:embed"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="color: black; ">For example, I have an
API that is being used in my client for presenting information (only for
signed-in users).</span><span style="color: black; "></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="LTR" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;
text-align:left;line-height:normal;direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:embed"><span style="color: black; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">So in the registration
process, I'll askthe user to confirms that he is a user and not related to any
commercial company and his account won't use any commercial company for data
pulling.</font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="LTR" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;
text-align:left;line-height:normal;direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:embed"><span style="color: black; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> </font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="LTR" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;
text-align:left;line-height:normal;direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:embed"><span style="color: black; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> </font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="LTR" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;
text-align:left;line-height:normal;direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:embed"><span style="color: black; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Don't you think that
this is a legitimacy demand?</font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" dir="LTR" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;
text-align:left;line-height:normal;direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:embed"><span style="color: black; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" dir="LTR" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;
text-align:left;line-height:normal;direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:embed"><span style="color: black; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></span></p><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:12 AM, Simon Biber <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:simonbiber@yahoo.com.au">simonbiber@yahoo.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;border-right:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;padding-right:1ex">
<div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div>Hi Eldad,</div><div><br></div><div>The licence will not restrict you from deciding who can view what <b>o<i>n your service</i></b>. Your example is correct, you can show the data only to "friend X", and this "friend X", who has access to the data, may clone the data to somewhere else. Once it is somewhere else, then you will no longer have any way to restrict it.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Basically, the licence does not restrict commercial use. Anyone who has access to the data is allowed to copy it, and is also allowed to charge for it. You can ask people to pay, but if they copy it without paying, then you have no remedy. The only way to stop competitors from cloning the data, is to not give them access to it, in the first place. So, your terms and conditions don't really make sense,
for CC-BY-SA data.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Simon.</div><div><br></div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><br><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">
<font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Eldad Yamin <<a href="mailto:eldad87@gmail.com" target="_blank">eldad87@gmail.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Licensing and other legal discussions. <<a href="mailto:legal-talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">legal-talk@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Sun, 17 April, 2011 12:46:47 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A legal question<br></font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
<div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left;direction:ltr">Thank you Simon and Mike!</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left;direction:ltr"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left;direction:ltr">
First,
I must say that my data is not completely driven from OSM map data, it can be submitted
without viewing the map.<span lang="HE" dir="RTL"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left;direction:ltr"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left;direction:ltr">Second (According to what Simon said),
I understood that any data that is derived from OSM map data must be published under
CC-BY-SA license.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left;direction:ltr">Does
it strict me from deciding who-can-view-what on my service?<span lang="HE" dir="RTL"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left;direction:ltr">For
example, a user can decide that only his "friend X" can view his submitted
data, therefore only "friend X" can view and clone the data to
somewhere else (under CC-BY-SA).<span lang="HE" dir="RTL"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left;direction:ltr"><span lang="HE" dir="RTL"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left;direction:ltr">Third,
I want to stop competitors from cloning data that was submitted by my users.<span lang="HE" dir="RTL"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left;direction:ltr">According
to the question: "Can I charge for distributing OSM data or data derived
from OSM data?":<span lang="HE" dir="RTL"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left;direction:ltr"><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License#What_do_you_mean_by_.22Attribution.22.3F" target="_blank">http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License#What_do_you_mean_by_.22Attribution.22.3F</a><span lang="HE" dir="RTL"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left;direction:ltr">Does
it mean that if a competitor want to use my service (pull data) - I can explicitly
ask him to pay?<span lang="HE" dir="RTL"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left;direction:ltr">For
example, in the terms and condition on my website, I can say "the data is completely
free under the CC-BY-SA license, if you wish to copy data and publish it for commercial
use, you will need to pay for it and attach our T&C to it - please contact
us at <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:support@x.com" target="_blank">support@x.com</a> for more details"<span lang="HE" dir="RTL"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left;direction:ltr"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left;direction:ltr">
<br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left;direction:ltr">Thanks again,</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left;direction:ltr">Eldad.</p><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Michael Collinson <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:mike@ayeltd.biz" target="_blank">mike@ayeltd.biz</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
Hi Eldad,<br>
<br>
This link <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License" target="_blank">http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License</a> may also help with
general information. We are evolving it to help folks such as yourself,
so if there is anything unclear or confusing, please do no hesitate to
email me.<br>
<br>
Mike<div><br>
<br>
On 16/04/2011 15:55, Simon Biber wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>Hi Eldad,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It sounds like your meta data is derived from the OSM map data,
in which case it must be licensed as CC-BY-SA.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This doesn't mean you have to actively contribute it back to the
community. You can restrict access or allow users to set up access
controls on your website.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>But if someone who does have access to the work decides to copy
it and make it publically available, you can't prevent them from doing
so. The CC-BY-SA license gives anybody that freedom. <br>
<br>
Kind regards,
<div>Simon.</div>
</div>
<div><br>
On 16/04/2011, at 10:54 PM, Eldad Yamin <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:eldad87@gmail.com" target="_blank">eldad87@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div dir="ltr"><span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px">Hello,
<div>I want to use OSM data/map in order to create a map based
service.</div>
<div>The users of my service will be able to create meta-data
(POIs, trips and path) on the map and share it them with their friends.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Please note,</div>
<div>I'm not going to change the map data itself at all, only
storing meta-data that was created by my users.</div>
<div>Is it something that I must contribute back to the community
or something that I can set as optional setting to my users?</div>
<div>if the answer is yes, can I give my users the option to
authorize who can view their data?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Eldad.</div>
</span></div>
</div>
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