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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Mikel, stop trying to smooth talk.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The CT says fundamentally nothing about GPS and entering data,
but talks just<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>about transferring rights to an arbitrary group of individuals called
OSMF, members of the osm community, (currently)with and (in the future?)
without <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>the best intents for the project.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>So do not try make it more fuzzy then it is.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The License is about letting OSMF decide how the project will go
regarding the open and free aspects of OSM.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>That is is the *<b>pain</b>*.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It’s about the future of the project regarding its core, being
free to anyone, and not have this decided<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>by a foundation, however good the current intentions are.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The CT tries to safeguard the open and free aspects, but the
wording is really binding, and we all know<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>that legal texts are there to be interpreted .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>We all know that also 2/3 of active contributors will always be
found, there are simply too<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>many people that don’t matter, and do what they’re asked.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>In addition to that a lot of us don’t like this license stuff.
And don’t like<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>to be submitted to contracts if not absolutely necessary.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>And don’t like the principle of defending any imaginary legal rights
by contracts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>if one day the OSM will be competitive qualitatively with
commercial GEODATA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>the data will be copied before we notice, and their lawyers (and
there will be a bunch of them)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>will have no problem with our stupid licenses. And we will all
stand back and wonder how !<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Gert Gremmen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>Van:</span></b><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Michael Collinson
[mailto:mike@ayeltd.biz] <br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 17 april 2011 14:41<br>
<b>Aan:</b> legal-talk@openstreetmap.org<br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Rights granted to OSMF (Section 2 of the
CT)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>On 17/04/2011 13:14, Francis Davey wrote:<br>
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[snip] <o:p></o:p></p>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>You, or anyone else, might think that these extra terms make the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>overall deal a bad one. You might want (for example) OSMF to be more<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>restricted in what it can do with a contribution.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>But that is a different argument from arguing with clause 2.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>And for information to several
respondents is a restatement of *intent* behind clause 2, (thanks Francis for
talking about the structure and about how well or not it works):<br>
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OpenStreetMap is fundamentally about you going out with GPS devices and
entering your results, often augmenting them with tracings and refinements from
Yahoo and now Bing imagery. Your contribution completely belongs to you whether
or not you continue to participate and, generally, when you die it is passed on
to your estate and heirs for a set number of years. Clause 2 asks that subject
only to the must of re-distribution under a free and open license and the
option of first level attribution, you freely throw your contribution into the
pot. Future decision making is now subject to collective, not individual,
decisions. <br>
<br>
In the case of imports, it is our intent that if the data is conformant with
the then current end-user license, there should be no legal bar to importing
it. It is then up to future generation to look at any conflict with any new
license and decide whether to excise the data or abandon the change.
There is also a moral duty on the current generation to decide how much they
want to tie the hands for the future.<br>
<br>
There were also questions about the fate of a proposal regarding imports to
extend the preamble of the clause like this:<br>
<br>
Subject to Section 3 and 4 below <i>and to the extent that you are able to do
so</i>, ...<br>
<br>
The License Working Group is happy with the primary intent of the addition but
felt that there were unfortunate side-effects if included in the general
terms. I personally do not currently see any obstacle to special accounts
being set up for specific discrete imports with this wording. This would
also give the community a chance to monitor what it feels are good/bad
candidates without being overly proscriptive, something we lack at the moment.<br>
<br>
Mike<br>
License Working Group<br>
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