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Hi Igor,<br>
<br>
I wonder if this resource helps with your question?<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Trivial_Transformations_-_Guideline">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Trivial_Transformations_-_Guideline</a>
(a work in progress)<br>
<br>
Mike<br>
<br>
<br>
On 22/10/2012 18:45, Igor Brejc wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:CA+CKBJHfayUO4W8mToW1NPmnjk1jzorhzi2Cwmhv0bnc+9es7A@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Hi,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks for your clarifications, everybody. I was under the
(looks like wrong) impression the produced work must also be available
under the ODbL license.</div>
<div>One issue still bugs me though:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><span
style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">If
the closed software you have used did not work on the data directly,
but on some sort of pre-processed or augmented data, then *that* would
be the data you have to hand over.</span></blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>What does "pre-processed or augmented" data really mean? OSM
data has to be preprocessed to get to the form suitable for rendering.
Some examples of preprocessing:</div>
<div>
<ol>
<li>Importing it into PostGIS and flattening the geometries (like
Mapnik does it).</li>
<li>Generalizations: simplifications of roads, polygons etc. for a
certain map scale.</li>
<li>Finding suitable label placements.</li>
<li>Extracting topology from the data (like multipolygon
processing, merging of polygons, road segments etc.).</li>
<li>Running other complex algorithms on the OSM data.</li>
</ol>
</div>
<div>This preprocessing can be done "on-the" fly or (in case of
Mapnik) as a separate prerequisite step.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Igor</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Frederik
Ramm <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:frederik@remote.org" target="_blank">frederik@remote.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi,<br>
<br>
On 10/22/12 12:07, Igor Brejc wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
2. I generate a PDF map from that extract using an unpublished,
<div class="im"><br>
closed-source software. The map includes the appropriate OSM<br>
attribution text.<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
1. Is this possible?<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Yes (assuming that the PDF is not a database).<br>
<br>
> 2. What are my obligations in terms of ODbL license? What (if
anything)
<div class="im"><br>
> do I have to provide, publish etc.?<br>
<br>
</div>
Recipients of the PDF, i.e. anyone who views iStockPhoto, would have
the right to ask you to hand over the database on which the map is
based. You would then have the option of saying "it's plain OSM, simply
download it from <X>", or actually give them the data.<br>
<br>
If the closed software you have used did not work on the data directly,
but on some sort of pre-processed or augmented data, then *that* would
be the data you have to hand over.<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
3. Would there be a difference if it was PNG/SVG instead of PDF?<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
I don't think so.<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
4. Can the buyer of such a map then password-protect his own resulting
<div class="im"><br>
work (which includes that map)?<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
Yes. You will have sold him the work under the condition that he
continues to attribute OSM, but other than that he has no obligations
(unless you put some in).<br>
<br>
If you sell the work with an OSM attribution but without the condition
to perpetuate that attribution, you may be in breach of ODbL or you may
not; this depends on how you interpret the "suitably calculated to make
anyone ... aware" clause.<br>
<br>
Bye<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
Frederik<br>
</font></span>
<div class="HOEnZb">
<div class="h5"><br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
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