<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div><div>In relation to data WV -> OSM.<br><br></div>Typically, the project has not wanted to accept coords from Wikipedia, because many of them are derived from sources seen as incompatible with OSM. I see any existing WV coords as just another level of indirection.<br>
<br></div><div>As far as adding WV users adding new POIs to OSM, this is open to everyone who agrees the OSM contributor terms.<br><br></div><div>If you are considering an automated import into OSM of WV POIs, then once you have the licencing right, this should be discussed on the imports list. I can think of lots of issues here, and legal is just the tip of the iceberg.<br>
<br></div><div>OSM online editors are becoming more user friendly for adding POIs, in the alternative. Don't want to reinvent the wheel.<br></div><div><br></div>In relation to geocoding from OSM -> WV, and the resulting licence.<br>
<br></div>Firstly, you may want to look at this recent discussion about OSM and Geocoding.<br><br><a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2013-June/007547.html">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2013-June/007547.html</a><br>
</div><div><br></div>Personally, I think if there is batch geocoding to the extent there is a resulting dataset, it should be available under the ODbL, with attribution.<br><br></div><div>However, the written pages of WV included geocoded POIs in my opinion constitute a produced work.<br>
</div><div><br></div>Being pretty familiar with WV and OSM, what I think is the right thing to do is for any automated geocoding is to set up an OSMGeocodeBot account on WV (or similar). That account contains details of what it does, and contains the appropriate attributions and links. In the edit history when adding geocoding it also contains the appropriate attribution and link.<br>
<br>If any individual user wants to geocode an handful of individual POIs from OSM, I don't think there is a substantial use, and I don't believe any attribution is required. However, the method above would provide a template should a user wish to use it.<br>
</div><div><br>Ian.<br><div><div><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 9 July 2013 15:25, torty3 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:singaporemaps@gmail.com" target="_blank">singaporemaps@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><p>Hi all, Wikivoyage is a travel-based wiki, and was recently
incarnated as a Wikimedia project. In its previous history, there
weren't any solid attempts at introducing and integrating
OpenStreetMaps, but much progress has been made at <a href="http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Dynamic_maps_Expedition" target="_blank">http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyag … Expedition</a> and examples can be seen internally at <a href="http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wheaton" target="_blank">http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wheaton</a>, which relies on an external map server <a href="http://maps.wikivoyage-ev.org/w/poimap2.php?lat=52.02912&lon=10.60377&zoom=16&layer=O&lang=de&name=Hornburg" target="_blank">http://maps.wikivoyage-ev.org/w/poimap2 … e=Hornburg</a>.
I think we are pretty close to start site-wide implementation, but
before that, it looks like we need to sort out attribution and legal
issues.</p><p>I know Google Maps data is not accepted here, and we have
tried our best to steer users to use OSM data, but some are still more
comfortable using Google Maps "What's here" as a way to pinpoint
coordinates. From what I understand, that isn't kosher either - is this
correct?</p><p>We would definitely want to work more closely with OSM,
at both importing and exporting data. Plans have been discussed to batch
geocode points of interest from the OSM database and also for us to
send back new Wikivoyage POIs to OSM. Since coordinate data is still in
infancy, if OSM are unsure of Wikivoyage sources, it is still early
enough to remove such data and require stronger attribution in the
future, to make sure we follow licensing more closely. What would be the
suggested process here? </p><p>On a user basis, we could ask for a
source, but what would be the required attribution on a site basis, as
we'll be merging OSM geodata into our listings, but some will also be
non-OSM/personal geodata. Has enough information been added for a
Produced Work?</p></div>
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