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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I think the License Working Group would
echo exactly what Jonathan says.<br>
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While it does not solve the problem of being able to map where
there are no mappers, may I also seize the opportunity to promote
John McKerrell's excellent OpenStreetView? It is a great
under-exploited tool!<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://openstreetview.org/">http://openstreetview.org/</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Openstreetview">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Openstreetview</a><br>
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Single photo and bulk upload works well. I am slowly adding my
collection of 40,000+ OSM survey photos in the hope that other
mappers will be able squeeze out even more map detail. You can
choose from a variety of licenses for the actual photo, but the
photo metadata is CC0.<br>
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Mike<br>
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On 07/04/2014 17:16, jonathan wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">This is obviously a legal grey area
and until it ends up in court I suspect it will remain a grey
area.<br>
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However, I feel what IS black and white is that if we were to
"officially" use Google StreetView or any non-open source to
build our data then we should expect a lawsuit from Google or
any other owner of said service/medium/technology. Also, we
should remember that their legal budget will be much bigger than
ours.<br>
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In my opinion, we can only have one stance and that is such
services are not available for us to use as a source for our
database.<br>
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We should, however, approach Google et al and ask them if they
prohibit such use, I'm sure they'll say that we can't use it,
but at least we'll know.<br>
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To use any such service without express permission risks
EVERYTHING, we would be leaving a door open for Google et al to
file against us in the future and OSM could just descend into a
legal black hole. Google would love that!<br>
<br>
We MUST be whiter than white. The Open in OpenStreetMap is a
responsibility as well as a right and to protect that right we
must act responsibly.<br>
<br>
Jonathan<br>
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On 05/04/2014 16:50, Paulo Carvalho wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear fellow mappers,
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<div> Let me present myself to you. I'm a OSM mapper from
the Brazil community and a question rose there which caused
a split in the group regarding Google Street View to perform
"virtual surveys", such as taking notes of house numbers and
plotting them in the maps.</div>
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<div> After reading <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#2a._Can_I_trace_data_from_Google_Maps.2FNokia_Maps.2F....3F">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#2a._Can_I_trace_data_from_Google_Maps.2FNokia_Maps.2F....3F</a>
, I was pondering about the impossibility of copyright and
licenses apply to facts and reality (not regarding
philosophical aspects).</div>
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<div> Google Street View photos depict reality or facts,
thus I could use them to observe reality and derive
interpretations which would be genuine creative work. It
would be illegal to use the images in Mapillary, for
instance, but the facts depicted by the images are not
property of Google.</div>
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<div> Your thoughts, please</div>
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<div>Paulo Carvalho</div>
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