<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-11-03 15:05 GMT+01:00 Alex Barth <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alex@mapbox.com" target="_blank">alex@mapbox.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_extra"><span class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com" target="_blank">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_extra">where in one of the first paragraphs there is this unproven claim: <br><br>"<br><p>Geocoding Results are a Produced Work by the definition of the ODbL (section 1.):
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<blockquote><div>“Produced Work” – a work (such as an image, audiovisual
material, text, or sounds) resulting from using the whole or a
Substantial part of the Contents (via a search or other query) from this
Database, a Derivative Database, or this Database as part of a
Collective Database."<br></div></blockquote></span></div></blockquote></div><br></span>A geocoding result is created via a search or a query. It's a Produced Work. A work can specifically be a database, see <a href="http://www.out-law.com/page-5698" target="_blank">http://www.out-law.com/page-5698</a>, "Databases are treated as a class of literary works and may therefore receive copyright protection for the selection and/or arrangement of the contents under the terms of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988." (UK law)</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">This is clearly a possible reading of the ODbL and it would enable geocoding.</div><div class="gmail_extra"></div></blockquote></div><br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Do you really think that a list of addresses can be seen as similar to a literary work? Will there be any protectworthy "selection and/or arrangement of the contents"? This probably has to be found out based on the individual case and decided by a judge - there will be databases that qualify as works, but maybe this doesn't exclude them from being a database the same time in the context of ODbL?<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">Let's presume we all followed this reading, then when would something actually fall under the definition of "derivative" database? Why would we still be writing to legal talk instead of using the whole OSM db as a produced work - produced e.g. by performing some operations like wget planet.osm -O osm-produced.work<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">cheers,<br>Martin<br></div></div>