<div dir="ltr">Hi Ivan,<div><br></div><div>I would suggest getting in touch with Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team Indonesia. They could probably help in facilitate of permission. </div><div><br></div><div><a href="mailto:team.id@hotosm.org">team.id@hotosm.org</a> is the best way to reach them. </div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>-Kate</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 7:34 AM, Ivan Garcia <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:capiscuas@gmail.com" target="_blank">capiscuas@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Thanks a lot for the answer Simon, really complete.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Ivan.</div></font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Simon Poole <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:simon@poole.ch" target="_blank">simon@poole.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">In general the CC-by licences require downstream attribution that we<br>
can't provide for any sensible meaning of the word, so you will need<br>
specific permission in any case, the other part is that the 4.0 licences<br>
try to cater for sui generis databases and, IMHO-only, that comes out<br>
rather wrong.<br>
<br>
What complicates your specific case even more is that you will find a<br>
wide range of opinions on if tracing from imagery even creates a<br>
derivative work (which you need to square with national regulations and<br>
case law).<br>
<br>
The best action is to sidestep the above mentioned can of worms and try<br>
and get explicit permission, preferably with<br>
<a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/GettingPermission#Letter_Template3" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/GettingPermission#Letter_Template3</a><br>
(the first two letter templates are missing some key points IMHO and<br>
while simpler are probably not really enough).<br>
<br>
Note the letter would need some adaptation in your case since we are<br>
referring to data derived from the imagery, not the imagery itself.<br>
<br>
Simon<br>
<span><br>
Am 13.07.2015 um 12:54 schrieb Ivan Garcia:<br>
> Hi Simon. Thanks for the answer.<br>
><br>
> Just an extra quesiton, doesn't a CC-BY license already allows<br>
> derivative work of any kind as long as the author is mentioned? Why<br>
> would an extra permission for that be required?<br>
><br>
> Best Regards.<br>
> Ivan.<br>
><br>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Simon Poole <<a href="mailto:simon@poole.ch" target="_blank">simon@poole.ch</a><br>
</span><span>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:simon@poole.ch" target="_blank">simon@poole.ch</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Ivan<br>
><br>
> The problem is that it is a legal can of worms. I would suggest simply<br>
> asking for explicit permission, or at least formal confirmation that<br>
> tracing from the imagery does not create a derivative work and that the<br>
> government has no rights in such vectorized data.<br>
><br>
> It is, as you may have seen from previous discussions, not clear if the<br>
> CC 4.0 licences are compatible (with the exception of CC0 naturally)<br>
> with the ODbL and this is likely not an issue that will be resolved<br>
> short term.<br>
><br>
> Simon<br>
><br>
> Am 08.07.2015 um 14:48 schrieb Ivan Garcia:<br>
> > Hi everybody,<br>
> > the government of Indonesia recently opened a Open Data portal<br>
> > <a href="http://data.go.id/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://data.go.id/</a> offering some official WMS imagery under CC-BY 4.0<br>
> > license.<br>
> ><br>
> > Would that license be enought to be used under JOSM to trace ways and<br>
> > POIs for OSM?<br>
> ><br>
> > Thanks in advance.<br>
> > Ivan.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
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