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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Diane<br>
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Any comment from CC on the -other- issues that have been raised
wrt CC by 4.0 and ODbL compatibility and in general with the way
it works for databases?<br>
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Simon<br>
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Am 18.03.2016 um 17:19 schrieb Diane Peters:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Just to be clear on the attribution removal
requirement in CC's licenses, Erik asserted:
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<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px">I wish
people would stop releasing data with CC-by; "you have to</span><br
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px">attribute us,
but you have to remove that attribution when ever we</span><br
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px">want you too"
which is not present in ODbL so....</span><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">There is no such absolute obligation.
In 4.0, the removal requirement provides: "<span
style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:arial,verdana,sans-serif">If
requested by the Licensor, You must remove any of the
information required by Section </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/legalcode#s3a1A"
style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(17,17,17)">3(a)(1)(A)</a><font
color="#333333" face="arial, verdana, sans-serif"> to the
extent reasonably practicable." (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/legalcode">Sec.
3a3</a>). And in 3.0, it's "to the extent practicable",
which from a CC perspective is functionally the equivalent
(<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode">Sec.
4a</a>). </font></div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Diane<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 3:47 PM,
Tom Lee <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:tlee@mapbox.com" target="_blank">tlee@mapbox.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Tobias, the best option for ensuring the
data is usable by OSM is an explicit statement of
permission for the OpenStreetMap project to
incorporate and use the data under the project's
terms. This is generally considered preferable to a
dataset that is ODbL-licensed without such a
statement.
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<div>However, I would encourage you to consider
non-OSM users as well when choosing the license.
ODbL is not widely used outside of OSM. A license
like CC-BY 4.0 is more widely used and actively
maintained. Choosing it would ensure compatibility
with a large number of non-OSM datasets. And if
paired with a permission statement like what's
described above, OSM could still use the data
without any license compatibility worries.</div>
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<div>Of course, if you can do without attribution, you
might consider something even more simple that
disclaims liability but imposes no other terms. If
that's an option let me know and I can turn up some
examples.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at
5:43 PM, Erik Johansson <span dir="ltr"><<a
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href="mailto:erjohan@gmail.com"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:erjohan@gmail.com">erjohan@gmail.com</a></a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 8:27 PM, Tobias
Wendorff<br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:tobias.wendorff@tu-dortmund.de"
target="_blank">tobias.wendorff@tu-dortmund.de</a>>
wrote:<br>
> Dear list,<br>
><br>
> could you please recommend me licenses
for releasing data to ODbL?<br>
> From my point of view, compatible
licenses are CC-license without<br>
> "SA" and "BY" and (only if possible)
CC0 and PD or finally special<br>
> license, like the following one:<br>
><br>
> Some crporations like "Deutsche Bahn"
(the biggest rail corporation<br>
> in Germany) has released their data
under CC BY 4.0 with a special text<br>
> for OpenStreetMap (roughly translated):<br>
><br>
> "If the data of Deutsche Bahn is part
of the OpenStreetMap database work,<br>
> a reference to the Deutsche Bahn AG in
the list of contributors is enough.<br>
> Crediting DB at each use of the data by
a licensee of the mentioned database<br>
> work is no longer necessary then.
Indirect credits (with reference to the<br>
> publisher of this databse work, which
refers to the DB) is sufficient."<br>
><br>
> Actually, that's a kind of
dual-licensing with a special license for
OSM.<br>
> From my understanding, releasing data
ODbL would be the worst thing,<br>
> since the "BY" attribution of the data
donator isn't compatible, is it?<br>
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</span>I've choosen not to start on a couple
of imports because of the CC-by<br>
issue, I've gotten ok from the owners but they
want to be included on<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://osm.org/contributors"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://osm.org/contributors</a>
. Deutsche Bahn seems to be much more<br>
free, I interpret it as source=Deutsche Bahn
seems to be enough.<br>
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I wish people would stop releasing data with
CC-by; "you have to<br>
attribute us, but you have to remove that
attribution when ever we<br>
want you too" which is not present in ODbL
so....<br>
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--<br>
/emj<br>
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