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would seem to be the most complete version of "how we really would
like you to release data to us".<br>
<br>
It is not really a surprise that OSM requires a special case, it is
simply due to OSM actually being a special case and essentially
being the only project that digests open data and produces such with
the downstream end user very often multiple tiers away. Most other
data consumers (the goog and so on) typically have complete. or at
least tight. control over the end product and wont have issues with
complicated attribution requirements and other restrictive terms. <br>
<br>
Outside of specific terms for OSM, currently, IMHO, organisations
wanting to release data on open licence terms don't really have many
good options. They will typically gyrate to CC by licences even
though 2.0 and 3.0 don't really work for data (which is likely why
commercial users are such a fan of them) and 4.0 is a total rewrite
which raises some questions with respect to use as a data licence
that remain unanswered.<br>
<br>
If it was up to me I would suggest
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/by/1.0/">http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/by/1.0/</a> , however it is not
clear if the authors are still interested at all in any of the O*
licences.<br>
<br>
Simon<br>
<br>
PS: what is HDX, besides being CHJ (cool humanitarian jargon)?<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 19.03.2016 um 18:52 schrieb Dale
Kunce:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">I'm very curious about the cc-by compatibility. The
Red Cross is doing a very large mapping project in West Africa,
ground truthing a lot of the data created by remote mappers
during ebola. As part of the project we want to release the data
both in OSM and in a more complete form (not all data gathered
is appropriate for osm) on HDX. Our original thinking was to
double license the data, Cc-by 4.0 for HDX with an explicit
license for OSM. </p>
<p dir="ltr">What is the best route for organizations to do
something like this. From this thread I can see the need for a
checklist or at the very minimum a wiki page with sample
language. Forgive me if this already exist I haven't found
anything online yet. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Dale</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 18, 2016 9:58 PM, "Simon Poole"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:simon@poole.ch">simon@poole.ch</a>>
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<div>Diane<br>
<br>
Any comment from CC on the -other- issues that have been
raised wrt CC by 4.0 and ODbL compatibility and in general
with the way it works for databases?<br>
<br>
Simon<br>
<br>
Am 18.03.2016 um 17:19 schrieb Diane Peters:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Just to be clear on the attribution removal
requirement in CC's licenses, Erik asserted:
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<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px">I
wish people would stop releasing data with CC-by;
"you have to</span><br
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px">attribute
us, but you have to remove that attribution when
ever we</span><br
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px">want
you too" which is not present in ODbL so....</span><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">There is no such absolute
obligation. In 4.0, the removal requirement
provides: "<span
style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:arial,verdana,sans-serif">If
requested by the Licensor, You must remove any of
the information required by Section </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/legalcode#s3a1A"
style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(17,17,17)"
target="_blank">3(a)(1)(A)</a><font
color="#333333" face="arial, verdana, sans-serif"> to
the extent reasonably practicable." (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/legalcode"
target="_blank">Sec. 3a3</a>). And in 3.0, it's
"to the extent practicable", which from a CC
perspective is functionally the equivalent (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode"
target="_blank">Sec. 4a</a>). </font></div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Diane<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at
3:47 PM, Tom Lee <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:tlee@mapbox.com" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tlee@mapbox.com">tlee@mapbox.com</a></a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Tobias, the best option for
ensuring the data is usable by OSM is an
explicit statement of permission for the
OpenStreetMap project to incorporate and use
the data under the project's terms. This is
generally considered preferable to a dataset
that is ODbL-licensed without such a
statement.
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<div>However, I would encourage you to
consider non-OSM users as well when choosing
the license. ODbL is not widely used outside
of OSM. A license like CC-BY 4.0 is more
widely used and actively maintained.
Choosing it would ensure compatibility with
a large number of non-OSM datasets. And if
paired with a permission statement like
what's described above, OSM could still use
the data without any license compatibility
worries.</div>
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<div>Of course, if you can do without
attribution, you might consider something
even more simple that disclaims liability
but imposes no other terms. If that's an
option let me know and I can turn up some
examples.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 17,
2016 at 5:43 PM, Erik Johansson <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:erjohan@gmail.com"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:erjohan@gmail.com">erjohan@gmail.com</a></a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 8:27 PM, Tobias
Wendorff<br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:tobias.wendorff@tu-dortmund.de"
target="_blank">tobias.wendorff@tu-dortmund.de</a>>
wrote:<br>
> Dear list,<br>
><br>
> could you please recommend me
licenses for releasing data to ODbL?<br>
> From my point of view,
compatible licenses are CC-license
without<br>
> "SA" and "BY" and (only if
possible) CC0 and PD or finally
special<br>
> license, like the following
one:<br>
><br>
> Some crporations like "Deutsche
Bahn" (the biggest rail corporation<br>
> in Germany) has released their
data under CC BY 4.0 with a special
text<br>
> for OpenStreetMap (roughly
translated):<br>
><br>
> "If the data of Deutsche Bahn
is part of the OpenStreetMap
database work,<br>
> a reference to the Deutsche
Bahn AG in the list of contributors
is enough.<br>
> Crediting DB at each use of the
data by a licensee of the mentioned
database<br>
> work is no longer necessary
then. Indirect credits (with
reference to the<br>
> publisher of this databse work,
which refers to the DB) is
sufficient."<br>
><br>
> Actually, that's a kind of
dual-licensing with a special
license for OSM.<br>
> From my understanding,
releasing data ODbL would be the
worst thing,<br>
> since the "BY" attribution of
the data donator isn't compatible,
is it?<br>
<br>
<br>
</span>I've choosen not to start on a
couple of imports because of the CC-by<br>
issue, I've gotten ok from the owners
but they want to be included on<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://osm.org/contributors"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://osm.org/contributors</a>
. Deutsche Bahn seems to be much more<br>
free, I interpret it as
source=Deutsche Bahn seems to be
enough.<br>
<br>
<br>
I wish people would stop releasing
data with CC-by; "you have to<br>
attribute us, but you have to remove
that attribution when ever we<br>
want you too" which is not present in
ODbL so....<br>
<span><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
/emj<br>
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