<div dir="ltr">Thanks very much Simon that's really useful and thanks for the offer of future help. <br><div>We'd definitely seen the community guidelines, it's useful to know they are more up to date than the user stories.</div><div><br></div><div>I'll share your advice with the team and we'll have a look at the points you raise/ links you sent in more detail. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks again,</div><div>Deborah<br><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 11:01, Simon Poole <<a href="mailto:simon@poole.ch">simon@poole.ch</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hi Deborah</p>
<p>That sounds like an useful and interesting project.</p>
<p>I would however like to note that the warning at the top of the
"use case" page is to be taken literally.</p>
<p>Neither are the use cases vetted against what has been typically
actually been asked (contrary to the thought up use cases) since
the licence change 6 years ago, nor are the answers likely to be
in all cases what we would answer now. The later in particular
because we've produced a larger body of guidance based on what are
typically real questions over the years, see: <a class="m_-852476445908846123moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Community_Guidelines" target="_blank">https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Community_Guidelines</a>
and <a class="m_-852476445908846123moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Licence_and_Legal_FAQ" target="_blank">https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Licence_and_Legal_FAQ</a></p>
<p>From a practical pov I would suspect that you would want to cover
at least the current versions of CC BY and CC BY-SA too as they
are the most popular "creative work" licenses misused for data
licensing / terms of use. <br>
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<p>If the LWG can be of any help, please feel free to contact us at:
<a class="m_-852476445908846123moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:legal@osmfoundation.org" target="_blank">legal@osmfoundation.org</a></p>
<p>Simon<br>
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<div class="m_-852476445908846123moz-cite-prefix">Am 24.10.2018 um 10:45 schrieb Deborah
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<p class="m_-852476445908846123m_8596841930148311135gmail-p1">Hi all,</p>
<p class="m_-852476445908846123m_8596841930148311135gmail-p2"><br>
</p>
<p class="m_-852476445908846123m_8596841930148311135gmail-p1">I am writing to let you know
about a project we are working on at the Open Data Institute
that draws on the existing work of the OSM community.<span class="m_-852476445908846123m_8596841930148311135gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
<p class="m_-852476445908846123m_8596841930148311135gmail-p3"><br>
</p>
<p class="m_-852476445908846123m_8596841930148311135gmail-p1">As part of our larger <a href="https://theodi.org/article/how-can-we-support-the-publication-and-use-of-more-open-geospatial-data/" target="_blank">project</a> to look
at how we can support the publication and use of more open
geospatial data we are developing a geospatial data re-users
guide. I've included some more details below.</p>
<p class="m_-852476445908846123m_8596841930148311135gmail-p2"><br>
</p>
<p class="m_-852476445908846123m_8596841930148311135gmail-p3"><b>Geospatial
data re-users guide</b></p>
<p class="m_-852476445908846123m_8596841930148311135gmail-p3">Our goal is to
create guidance that will help geospatial data users
understand how to comply with licences associated with
geospatial datasets. We are focussing on Ordnance Survey and
OpenStreetMap (ODbL) licences to begin with.<span class="m_-852476445908846123m_8596841930148311135gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
</p>
<p class="m_-852476445908846123m_8596841930148311135gmail-p3"><br>
</p>
<p class="m_-852476445908846123m_8596841930148311135gmail-p1">The guide will include use
cases ('I am an X, I want to do X') with guidance beneath to
help them understand what is allowed under what circumstances.
This isn't intended to be a legal document, more a useful help
to navigate the complexities of licensing to encourage reuse
of the data.<span class="m_-852476445908846123m_8596841930148311135gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
<p class="m_-852476445908846123m_8596841930148311135gmail-p1"><span class="m_-852476445908846123m_8596841930148311135gmail-Apple-converted-space"><br>
</span></p>
<p class="m_-852476445908846123m_8596841930148311135gmail-p1"><b>Our approach</b><br>
</p>
<ul class="m_-852476445908846123m_8596841930148311135gmail-ul1">
<li class="m_-852476445908846123m_8596841930148311135gmail-li1"><span class="m_-852476445908846123m_8596841930148311135gmail-s1" style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:10px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo"></span>We
are using the <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Use_Cases#Using_map_images_created_from_OSM_Data" target="_blank">OSM use cases</a> published
on the wiki as a starting point </li>
<li class="m_-852476445908846123m_8596841930148311135gmail-li1">We plan to create an open
document to seek external input and sense check the types of
use cases to cover. </li>
<li class="m_-852476445908846123m_8596841930148311135gmail-li1">We then intend to provide
answers for each use case for each licence type (initially
the ODbL, OS Data Exploration Licence and the Open
Government Licence). </li>
<li class="m_-852476445908846123m_8596841930148311135gmail-li1">We also plan to work in the
open to review/ add to the answers/ explanations.<br>
<span class="m_-852476445908846123m_8596841930148311135gmail-s1" style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:10px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo"></span></li>
<li class="m_-852476445908846123m_8596841930148311135gmail-li1"><span class="m_-852476445908846123m_8596841930148311135gmail-s1" style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:10px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo"></span>We'll
be encouraging people to add to the open doc via twitter and
through our networks, it would be great if you could support
us in this also.</li>
</ul>
<span>By working in this way we hope to
make sure we produce something useful and accurate.</span><br>
<span><br>
</span>
<div><span>Finally, our overall geospatial
project is due to end by 30th Nov so we will be developing
this relatively quickly. </span></div>
<div><span><br>
</span></div>
<div><span>I hope this sounds like a
worthwhile piece of work to you, if you have any questions
or would like any more information please don't hesitate to
get in touch. </span>
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<div><font face="Helvetica Neue" color="#454545"><span style="font-size:12px">Thanks,</span></font></div>
<div><font face="Helvetica Neue" color="#454545"><span style="font-size:12px">Deborah</span></font></div>
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