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<div>According to community guideline for "Geocoding", I'm not using original OSM data in my new map at all. Since I've drawn lines from paper drawn on an Produced Work of OSM data, I don't have any of the original OSM elements in my final dataset, which are in the OSM dataset.</div>
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<div>So, I just need to credit OpenStreetMap as decribed in Section 4.3 of the ODbL, since it's a Produced Work.</div>
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<div>> Users of a navigation application send an address search query to a<br/>
> cloud-based Geocoder. The Geocoder has access to two separate map<br/>
> databases, one of which contains solely OSM data. The other database<br/>
> contains non-OSM data. If the address is accurately found in the OSM<br/>
> database, the location is sent back to the navigation application. If<br/>
> the address is not found in the OSM database, then the other database is<br/>
> searched, and that result is returned. (The same example applies when<br/>
> the third party database is searched before the OSM database or when<br/>
> they are searched concurrently.) The OSM-based Geocoding Results are an<br/>
> insubstantial extract or contain no OSM data and thus do not trigger<br/>
> share-alike obligations and can be stored together with the<br/>
> non-OSM-based Geocoding Results with no impact on the non-OSM-based<br/>
> Geocoding results, so long as the aggregated collection of results does<br/>
> not contain the whole or a substantial part of the OSM database. The<br/>
> cloud-based Geocoder is, however, required to credit OpenStreetMap as<br/>
> described in Section 4.3 of the ODbL.</div>
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<div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 07. Oktober 2019 um 20:05 Uhr<br/>
<b>Von:</b> "Kathleen Lu" <kathleen.lu@mapbox.com><br/>
<b>An:</b> "Licensing and other legal discussions." <legal-talk@openstreetmap.org><br/>
<b>Cc:</b> "Lars-Daniel Weber" <Lars-Daniel.Weber@gmx.de><br/>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [OSM-legal-talk] map drawn based on OSM tiles</div>
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<div>> Thus, assuming the shapefiles are essentially the equivalent of
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.8ex;border-left: 1.0px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left: 1.0ex;">> simplified OSM border shapefiles, the shapefiles are covered by ODbL.<br/>
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Actually, it's like 40% OSM borders (hard borders, like roads, rivers, topography and administrative stuff) and 60% own borders, which don't appear in OSM. BUt those borders wouldn't make OSM any better, since they're specific for the current task.<br/>
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<div>My view would be the OSM borders are ODbL. Just because it's one shapefile doesn't mean all of the data in the shapefile has to be under one license. If the other borders are not border types that are in OSM that you have traced, ODbL does not implicate them per the Collective Database Guideline.</div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.8ex;border-left: 1.0px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left: 1.0ex;">> Now, it sounds like you're not tracing very much, so it's possible that<br/>
> you have traced fewer than 100 features in which case your tracing is<br/>
> insubstantial<br/>
> <a href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Community_Guidelines/Substantial_-_Guideline" target="_blank">https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Community_Guidelines/Substantial_-_Guideline</a><br/>
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Actually, I've traced more than 100 features, but the "extraction is non-systematic and clearly based on your own qualitative criteria" - okay, not on my one, but on the one who draw the overlay with the pen.<br/>
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It's possible that your extraction is insubstantial, though I can't say definitively. But I don't think that you need a definitive answer on whether it's insubstantial, since if your usecase is as a filter to select POIs, then you can do that whether the borders make up a substantial extract or not, and you are willing to provide attribution anyway, so you do not need to conclusively avoid ODbL.</div>
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