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<p>The relevant bit of the directive is in article 11. As you can
see the rights are dependent on being domiciled in the EU, not on
the physical location of the "database". I would need to check up
on the UK equivalent, but it likely requires the same. Outside of
the UK and EU (possibly including Russia), we rely on conventional
copyright for creative works* and contract law.<br>
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<p>Simon</p>
<p>* yes, I'm fully aware of the problematic bit here.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 13.12.2020 um 10:21 schrieb Edward
Bainton:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Thank you for the link, now read. All you say on
substantial changes makes sense.
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<div>So if we move the database into the EU, are we confident it
would be all be protected under those terms? Does the hiatus
from 1 Jan 2021 cause any difficulties? I'm reading the bit
that says protection runs from the date of completion of the
database - which is either already done, or never to be
achieved. Either way I'm struggling to be sure that a database
imported into the EU (perhaps considered complete on the day
of import?) would have the protection.</div>
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<div>Or do we need two databases - the UK-based one that is
protected under the legacy agreement (until the UK Parliament
decides otherwise, I suppose), and the new EU one, and the
servers work off them in tandem?</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 23:18,
Simon Poole <<a href="mailto:simon@poole.ch"
moz-do-not-send="true">simon@poole.ch</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p>To answer the questions caveat there is no relevant court
decisions that I know of, so this is all likely untested:
insubstantial changes to a database do not create a new
one, but substantial changes do. Where the line is drawn,
or better where the OSMF draws the line, is currently
open. See article 10 <a
href="https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A31996L0009"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A31996L0009</a></p>
<p>Simon</p>
<div>Am 10.12.2020 um 22:11 schrieb Edward Bainton:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">A pleasure meeting you all at LWG this
evening.
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<div>I saw Brexit in the minutes for September</div>
<div>"At the end of year we won't be losing database
rights immediately."<br>
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<div>General guidance I've seen appears to say:<br>
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<div>- database rights accrued before 2021-01-01 persist
(as I've seen discussed in minutes)</div>
<div>- database rights accrued from 2021-01-01 will
exist only in the UK (if at all: I can't see any
enabling legislation after a quick look, and this may
have gone into the Govt's "later" tray - so copyright
may be the only protection).</div>
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<div>The last point suggests to me that any edits made
after 2020-01-01 will have less protection than so far
has been the case. </div>
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<div>Is that your understanding? Or is the database as a
whole protected because the architecture has been
built, and subsequent edits are protected
modifications of an already-protected creation?</div>
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