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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 13.12.2020 um 22:43 schrieb Edward
Bainton:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Ok, so let me rephrase about 'moving the
database'.
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<div>I mean moving the domicile of OSMF, as legal owner of the
database. This is being discussed. (See LWG minutes for
September)
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<div>Does anyone have a clear idea what that would do for the
protection of the database as it currently stands? Would it
be strengthened versus the protection that covers the
database at the moment (which is 15 years of UK database
right mimicking EU database right, under the Brexit
'withdrawal agreement'. It seems the start-date of those 15
years is unclear).</div>
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<div>Or does the current database not get any greater
protection once the owner is domiciled in the EU?</div>
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<p>IMHO the above questions are unanswerable at the moment, the
fuzziness with respect to when we consider the database last
published is however really not related to the BREXIT question,
but more to the provisions in article 10 which I've already
pointed to. Would the OSMF successor be required to show that it
had made changes as in 10 III to the database after it had been
founded and domiciled in the EU? There is really just no way to
know and nobody is chomping at the bit to go to court to find out.<br>
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<div>What does moving domicile to the EU do for the protection
of the edits added to the database after domicile has moved
into the EU - are these protected under the EU database
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<div>- are the edits a new database to which EU database
rights attach? </div>
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that came into the EU without EU database rights attached,
and therefore the new edits are not covered by EU database
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<p>The database as a whole is protected, not the edits (outside of
potentially collectively being a database themself). Making
insubstantial changes to the database doesn't change protection of
its contents or newly added or changed data, making substantial
changes will create a new database.<br>
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<div>Are these questions clear? </div>
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<div>(Not that OSMF can strictly *move* domicile: it will have
to register a subsidiary legal person in an EU country, move
its intellectual property into the subsidary, then possibly
admit all current OSMF members as members of the subsidary
and close the parent (ie, close the current
London-registered OSMF. Or an equivalent process.)</div>
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<p>If it was easy it would have been done a long time ago. The
additional complication is that I expect (who knows what the OSMF
board is thinking) that we would want to create a proper
membership based organisation which, using a broad brush here,
can't be subsidiaries of other legal entities.<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 at 20:52,
Simon Poole <<a href="mailto:simon@poole.ch"
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Am 13.12.2020 um 20:12 schrieb Tom Hummel via legal-talk:<br>
> Hi all,<br>
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> Am Sonntag, 13. Dezember 2020, 15:58:48 CET schrieb Simon
Poole:<br>
>> The relevant bit of the directive is in article 11.
As you can see the<br>
>> rights are dependent on being domiciled in the EU,
not on the physical<br>
>> location of the "database". I would need to check up
on the UK<br>
> Do the legal contributors have formed an opinion towards
this, already?<br>
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> Seeing the Foundation being situated in the UK, and the
absence of any agreement acc. to art. 11 III, it looks like
the foundation is loosing its entitlement acc. to art. 11 II
of the directive.<br>
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This was the subject of the original message in this thread.
The <br>
situation post December 31st 2020 is such that protection for
sui <br>
generis databases will remain for database published before
that date in <br>
the UK till the protection term runs out. In the case of OSM
when the 15 <br>
years start is naturally a bit fuzzy, but at least the
reworking of the <br>
database in 2012 for the licence change was clearly a
substantial change <br>
that required a significant investment by the OSMF, so it is
reasonable <br>
to assume that protection will remain at least till September
2026 (IMHO <br>
there are more than enough arguments for December 2034, but I
suspect <br>
that will be moot by 26).<br>
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Simon<br>
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> German courts adhere to the „modified seat of management
rule“ since 2002 (BGH NJW 2002, 3539), meaning some capacity
to sue and be sued. OTOTH liability for associates is personal
and unrestricted.<br>
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> For Germany, it looks like there is some entitlement on
behalf of FOSSGIS. The governing agreement (OpenStreetMap
Foundation Local Chapters Agreement) does not grant any
derivative rights without additional agreement, § 7.1 Conduct.<br>
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> Am I missing something?<br>
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> Tom<br>
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