<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:"Cambria Math";
panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0cm;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:purple;
text-decoration:underline;}
p.msonormal0, li.msonormal0, div.msonormal0
{mso-style-name:msonormal;
mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
margin-right:0cm;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:0cm;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;}
span.EstiloDeEmail18
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
color:#1F497D;}
.MsoChpDefault
{mso-style-type:export-only;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
mso-fareast-language:EN-US;}
@page WordSection1
{size:612.0pt 792.0pt;
margin:70.85pt 3.0cm 70.85pt 3.0cm;}
div.WordSection1
{page:WordSection1;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
<o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=PT-BR link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Please unsubscribe us.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Regards, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>De:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kathleen Lu via legal-talk [mailto:legal-talk@openstreetmap.org] <br><b>Enviada em:</b> terça-feira, 9 de março de 2021 13:00<br><b>Para:</b> Licensing and other legal discussions. <legal-talk@openstreetmap.org><br><b>Cc:</b> Kathleen Lu <kathleen.lu@mapbox.com><br><b>Assunto:</b> Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Images ineligible to copyright as a simple shapes (OSM Wiki)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>In my view, the author licensed the icons to OSM for OSM uses by adding them to the wiki. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It would appear, based on the instruction at <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Icons/Map_Icons_Standards#2020_iconset:_templates_and_examples">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Icons/Map_Icons_Standards#2020_iconset:_templates_and_examples</a>: "<span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#202122;background:white'>please if you do derivative work do not call it 2020iconset</span>" that the author intended for the icons to be reused.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I understand the purpose of Wikimedia Commons (public domain commons) to be different from the OSM wiki (info about OSM) and therefore do not see why Wikimedia Commons' practices should set some kind of standard. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 2:59 PM Mateusz Konieczny via legal-talk <<a href="mailto:legal-talk@openstreetmap.org">legal-talk@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I see following possibilities:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>- works are explicitly licensed, I just need proof of that (failed so far)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>- works are intended for sharing, uploaded by author and OK for keeping also without<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>explicit licensing.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> - but is it OK to reuse such works? Is keeping it on Wiki setting a trap for potential reusers?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> I know that on for example <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/" target="_blank">https://commons.wikimedia.org/</a> something like that would be<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> deleted but maybe we should be less strict?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> Is it OK for me to take it and use it in CC-BY-SA 4.0 licensed map style that would be <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> publicaly displayed?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>- works are not original enough to qualify for copyright (rejected)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Mar 8, 2021, 20:54 by <a href="mailto:kathleen.lu@mapbox.com" target="_blank">kathleen.lu@mapbox.com</a>:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #93A3B8 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 8.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Based on the user page and <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Icons/Map_Icons_Standards" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Icons/Map_Icons_Standards</a>, it sounds like the user themself created the icons. If that's the case, there is no additional license required, at least for the uses the user originally uploaded the icons for, so I see no reason for you to request deletion. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 11:26 AM Mateusz Konieczny via legal-talk <<a href="mailto:legal-talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">legal-talk@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Mar 8, 2021, 19:43 by <a href="mailto:kathleen.lu@mapbox.com" target="_blank">kathleen.lu@mapbox.com</a>:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #93A3B8 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 8.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>At least in the US, the threshold is quite low, and I would say all of your examples meet the threshold.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>(For road signs, but not icons, there's also separately the issue of fair use.)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal>:(<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Now I am worried about some other things from<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:PD-licensed_as_below_threshold_of_originality" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:PD-licensed_as_below_threshold_of_originality</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Multipolygon_Illustration_3_de_plus_benachbarte_fl%C3%A4che.svg" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Multipolygon_Illustration_3_de_plus_benachbarte_fl%C3%A4che.svg</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Mapbox-680.png" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Mapbox-680.png</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Amenity_stripclub-icon.png" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Amenity_stripclub-icon.png</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Amenity_stripclub.svg" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Amenity_stripclub.svg</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Brasil_history_points.svg" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Brasil_history_points.svg</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Icon-Edit-map.png" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Icon-Edit-map.png</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #93A3B8 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 8.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I do note that all of your examples came from the same user. Have you tried contacting that user? <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yes. <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Sergionaranja" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Sergionaranja</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Replied to request in 2014, but I am not sure how can I interpret this and it applies <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>to only subset at best.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Q: Would it be OK for you to let us distribute your icons alongside JOSM code (GPL2+) ?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>A: it is ok with me<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>There was no reply to request in 2016, so I am not expecting reply to my request,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>sadly it may be necessary to delete them :(<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I will try to reach out again or in some other way as this icons are pretty nice and <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>may be useful (unlike some less useful images where I just request deletion by wiki admins).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Scroll down on <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Labelled_for_deletion" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Labelled_for_deletion</a> page<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>to see where deletion is currently requested.<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #93A3B8 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 8.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 1:31 AM Mateusz Konieczny via legal-talk <<a href="mailto:legal-talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">legal-talk@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am trying to process <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Media_without_a_license" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Media_without_a_license</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>My problem right now is deciding which images fit <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:PD-shape" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:PD-shape</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>"simple geometric shapes. These are not eligible for copyright alone because they are not original enough"<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>For example I am unsure about:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:2020_st_powergensource_wind.svg" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:2020_st_powergensource_wind.svg</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:2020_st_placeofworship_shinto.svg" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:2020_st_placeofworship_shinto.svg</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:2020_st_amenity_pub.svg" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:2020_st_amenity_pub.svg</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:2020_st_amenity_restaurant.svg" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:2020_st_amenity_restaurant.svg</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:2020_st_placeofworship_sikh.svg" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:2020_st_placeofworship_sikh.svg</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:2020_st_placeofworship_pastafarian.svg" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:2020_st_placeofworship_pastafarian.svg</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I would appreciate any help in any of below:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>- deciding whatever describing this images as simple geometric shapes<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>ineligible for copyright as not original enough is correct<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>- looking at<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:PD-licensed_as_below_threshold_of_originality" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:PD-licensed_as_below_threshold_of_originality</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>whether images there are actually so simple to be below threshold of originality<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>- help in spotting wrong or misleading content on any of linked pages<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>(I am not a lawyer)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>- help in processing <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Media_without_a_license" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Media_without_a_license</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>(marking images for deletion where appropriate, replacing images with unclear copyright<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>with one where it is clear, asking uploaders to clarify licensing status etc)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>legal-talk mailing list<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:legal-talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">legal-talk@openstreetmap.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>legal-talk mailing list<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:legal-talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">legal-talk@openstreetmap.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>legal-talk mailing list<br><a href="mailto:legal-talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">legal-talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>