<div dir="ltr"><div>Can I just remind everyone of the principle "assume good faith", and the equally valid principle that first one asks someone who made the edit via changeset discussions, before raising issues in wider forums.</div><div><br></div><div>I was somewhat disconcerted to realise that multiple discussions have been occurring which imputed that <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2010-January/046942.html">editors contributing to mapping</a> Port-au-Prince after the 2010 earthquake, of whom I was one, might <br></div><div>have been making "suspicious edits". It appears that rumours, gossip and tittle-tattle have got in the way of a considered approach involving the first two principles, or even checking the wiki, mailing lists etc.</div><div><br></div><div>I don't expect contributors to be familiar with the ins-and-outs of OSM ancient history, but I do expect people not to jump to false conclusions, and certainly not to do the minimum of due diligence before asking, <br></div><div>and using loaded terms "suspicious" in doing so.</div><div><br></div><div>Jerry Clough aka SK53<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 at 13:18, Simon Poole <<a href="mailto:simon@poole.ch">simon@poole.ch</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Am 25.07.2021 um 11:44 schrieb Mateusz
Konieczny via legal-talk:<br>
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<div>I was thinking about 1000+ elements having it as an element
tag,<br>
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<div dir="auto">hopefully this is used where this specific
permission qualified.<br>
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<p>Those don't have anything to do with Haiti.<br>
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<div dir="auto">For changesets leaving comment explaining
situation may be helpful<br>
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<div dir="auto">but would spam mappers who edited then.<br>
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<div>Jul 25, 2021, 11:37 by <a href="mailto:simon@poole.ch" target="_blank">simon@poole.ch</a>:<br>
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<div>Am 25.07.2021 um 11:23 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny
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<div>Hmm, maybe detailing this tag to<br>
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<div dir="auto">source=Special Google Haiti imagery<br>
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<p>Given that changeset tags cannot be changed after the fact,
I'm not sure how you expect this to work outside of using a
time machine. <br>
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<div dir="auto">I also created <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:source%3DGoogle" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:source%3DGoogle</a><br>
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<div dir="auto">to make easier to locate this email<br>
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<div>Jul 25, 2021, 03:12 by <a href="mailto:mikel.maron@gmail.com" rel="noopener
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<div>We received explicit permission from Google to use the
imagery released in the Haiti earthquake response for
editing in OSM. That is documented in this mailing list
post linked from the wiki page<br>
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<div><a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2010-January/047236.html" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2010-January/047236.html</a><br>
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<p style="font-size:15px;color:rgb(113,95,250);padding-top:15px;margin-top:0px">On Saturday, July 24,
2021, 10:19 AM, mappinglander <a href="mailto:mappinglander@gmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><mappinglander@gmail.com></a>
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<div>There has recently been a discussion in OSM
Discord about <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/source=Google%2C%0D%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%202010-01-21" target="_blank">source=Google
tags</a> in Haiti. The usage seems to have
documented at <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/Imagery_and_data_sources/Old#Google_Imagery" target="_blank">wiki</a>, but seems like
there isn't any explicit clauses about allowing to
OSM on the linked mailinglist posts, and the
Google page says "Use restricted to non-commercial
use in or related to Haitian relief efforts."
Also, as that was before the CC BY-SA and ODbL
switch in 2012, I and other users have expressed
some doubts about whether we are still having
permission to use that source on OSM. I personally
haven't contacted Mikel yet, or the other people
involved in the discussion and approved the usage
on OSM.<br>
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