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<div>note: out of order quotes<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div>Feb 19, 2022, 20:27 by <a href="mailto:simon@poole.ch" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">simon@poole.ch</a>:<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div>- pictograms: I consider it rather problematic to try and determine threshold of originality yourself (the text from WMF noted), I would consider it to be wise to take a conservative approach here.<br></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">I agree, I added a note with warning and asking to limit to obvious cases.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div>- in the case of of aerial imagery licensed on non-open terms (Bing, Esri, Maxar, Mapbox and so on), we really only have permission to use it for editing purposes. I would argue that that should cover use for editing documentation purposes, but it needs to be clear that there are limits to how we can reuse such content,<br></div></blockquote><div>I was worried about touching this, as no matter how I read <br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing_Maps#Terms.2C_Clarifications" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing_Maps#Terms.2C_Clarifications</a><br></div><div dir="auto">I do not see how it can be constructed to allow use on OSM Wiki<br></div><div dir="auto">"imited solely to aerial imagery use in a non-commercial online editor <br></div><div dir="auto">application of OpenStreetMap"<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">And if it can be argued to be allowed as fair use - is it OK to upload also Google Maps<br></div><div dir="auto">aerial/maps/street view etc?<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div>- the section on screenshots would seem to be postulating rights by the app authors in the images that don't actually exist (a screenshot of JOSM is not licensed on GPL terms IMHO),<br></div></blockquote><div>Then how JOSM screenshot is licensed?<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The good part of that is that fixing this requires just changing one or two <br></div><div dir="auto">template pages and I expect that we would not need to delete files over this,<br></div><div dir="auto">so there is no need to review them.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Wikimedia Commons usually has an useful docs but <br></div><div dir="auto"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Screenshots">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Screenshots</a><br></div><div dir="auto">is not actually explaining anything on that.<br></div></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div>This would seem to be quite an ambitious undertaking.<br></div><div><br></div><div>For now just a couple of remarks<br></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">Thanks for them!<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div>- the document should point out that as a rule content on the wiki needs to licenced on open terms and only in exceptional circumstances is it acceptable to upload non-open content,<br></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">I agree, but... <br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Actually right now we have no rule like that on OSM Wiki!<br></div><div><div dir="auto">Even "no copyright violations" is mostly not enforced.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Part of the problems is caused by<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">- people uploading images to wiki without stating source<br></div><div>- people uploading sometimes random images from Internet<br></div><div dir="auto">- people assuming that all content on wiki is actually CC-BY-SA 2.0<br></div><div dir="auto"> and using photos that were uploaded under that license<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">There is backlog of about 20 000 files not specifying source or license,<br></div><div dir="auto">some of them are blatant copyright violations.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">See <br></div><div dir="auto"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki#Designing_policy_for_handling_files_without_clear_license">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki#Designing_policy_for_handling_files_without_clear_license</a><br></div><div dir="auto">(comments are highly welcomed there)<br></div><div dir="auto">and<br></div><div dir="auto"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Mateusz_Konieczny/notify_uploaders">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Mateusz_Konieczny/notify_uploaders</a><br></div><div dir="auto">for an attempt to solve this.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If someone is willing to help then for example<br></div><div dir="auto"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki#Dubious_licensing_of_a_derivative_work">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki#Dubious_licensing_of_a_derivative_work</a><br></div><div dir="auto">lists cases where uploaders were contacted and modified licenses to<br></div><div dir="auto">very dubious ones so need to be contacted again or images should be <br></div><div dir="auto">flagged for deletion.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">(I am going through responses of various people but it will take time - <br></div><div dir="auto">and once this will be mostly processed I will contact next<br></div><div dir="auto">group of people who uploaded images without stating license or source)<br></div><div><br></div></div><div dir="auto">(and this presented draft was created as part of exactly this cleanup process)<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div>Simon<br></div><div><br></div><div>Am 19.02.2022 um 15:40 schrieb Chris (Chris2map):<br></div><blockquote><div>Hey there,<br></div><div><br></div><div>I want to communicate the creation of a chart in OSM wiki with the intention to give wiki users an overview and easy guideline what to do when uploading image files regarding an applicable license.<br></div><div><br></div><div>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Drafts/Media_file_license_chart<br></div><div><br></div><div>Sparked by the efforts of Mateusz Konieczny to make advance with the many files without any information provided, I created a draft with the most common image types and the possible / desirable licenses, as far as I know it, also with contributions by Mateusz.<br></div><div><br></div><div>As of now I think it is reasonably applicable and useful. So you might want to have a look at it.<br></div><div>I do appreciate each check of it.<br></div><div><br></div><div>IMHO it shouldn't become bigger and more complex than it is already.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I plan to move the chart from draft to main namespace and link it on the relevant help pages at about March 1st.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,<br></div><div>Chris<br></div><div>(Chris2map)<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>legal-talk mailing list<br></div><div>legal-talk@openstreetmap.org<br></div><div>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk<br></div></blockquote></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div> </body>
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